Re: Expert Opinion Required !

From: John Larkin (jjSNIPlarkin_at_highTHISlandPLEASEtechnology.XXX)
Date: 02/18/05 

Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:48:26 -0800

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 02:24:41 GMT, "Harry Dellamano"
<harryd@tdsystems.org> wrote:

>
><happyasaclam007@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>news:1108671072.364191.111080@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I would be most grateful to receive some expert advice\opinion on the
>> subject of electronics education.
>>
>> I'm seriously considering taking the AAS Degree program offered by CIE
>> ( Cleveland Institute of Electronics ). As this represents a sizeable
>> investment in both time and money, some expert industry opinion would
>> be of great help.
>>
>> How do you people in the industry feel about the quality of this
>> program as compared to say a technologists program from a community
>> college?
>>
>> They claim that their grads are in great demand, but so do most
>> colleges and universities.
>> Has anyone hired one of their grads ( or know someone who has ), and if
>> so, how would you rate them against an traditional college grad ?
>>
>> Lastly, is there a demand for people who specialize in micro controller
>> programing or PLC's?
>>
>> With much thanks,
>> Rob M
>
> Find an older expert engineer that owns his own company and is hard
>working, John Larkin on this NG comes to mind. Go work for him for two
>years, pay him the same amount that you would of paid for that AAS degree.
>Do everything he says, sweep the floor, wash his car, read all that he
>recommends, show respect and work your ass off. If your not putting in at
>least 60 hours per week, your a wimp. Find a room near the lab. At the end
>of two years, if John gives his approval, you will be hired as an EE at
> >$60K/yr. You are now ready to take advanced engineering classes that you
>will easily understand. Your classmates will think you are brilliant. If you
>continue working hard, the sky is the limit. I would not touch a recent AAS
>grad. Oh, by the way, I only have a AAS degree but did do much of the above.
>Can't call myself an engineer but can call myself a contractor or consultant
>with much better benefits.

That is actually not a bad scheme, except that he could actually
expect to get paid for his work. Half-time doing tech stuff and scutt
work, half-time at a community college, would be a good start.
Learning the teory and doing the work simultaneously is immensely
valuable, as is being aroundsome working EEs who will help expalain
the academic abstractions. I'd hire somebody like that who really
wanted to work and learn. But my car *never* gets washed.

I'd suggest taking EE-track courses, even if you might not ever be
able to get the 4-year degree. Associates degrees and tech training
are intellectually limited and not worth much on a resume. Many of the
technical schools start by teaching electron flow, switch to
conventional current later, and some people never get un-confused.

> That does not get you to the top of the heap. That takes a brilliant mind,
>excellent college education and maybe at least 10 years of hard work. J.T.
>our $200/hr man, and he is worth it, can explain more.

That's also true. It takes a certain kind of talent to be good at
electronics, plus a lot of learning and experience. Years to get
pretty good, for sure.

John

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