Re: OT: Civil War Narrowly Averted in Schiavo Case

John S. Dyson wrote: 
In article <p3fu41lnq7codeadr84a520dcm375vhkar@xxxxxxx>,
	Jim Thompson <thegreatone@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 01:30:36 +0100, Pooh Bear
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



Jim Thompson wrote:


The best part is that Jeb Bush will NEVER be elected to another
office... good riddance to god-squad oriented politicians.


Ohhh. I heard the PNAC nuts etc were considering grooming him for President Bush III.


Graham 

He's dead-meat politically... intervening in private family matters is
a big NO-NO.


Murder (within a family) isn't justified by being a 'private' family matter.


Much better when it's carried out by the state, as in "The Texas Futile Care Law".

The problem is NOT that it is reasonable/unreasonable to kill someone in
agony (no-one can withstand food/water being withheld), but that the
husband is NOT credible.


This goes against all the evidence.

 For all practical purposes, the husband is an
ex-husband (even carrying on with effectively having a common law wife),
and it is reasonable to consider his first marriage to be a legal fiction.

I am NOT against letting a loved one die if they are in agony, but
considering feeding/hydration to be 'heroic' actions is a bit of a stretch.

So, it is fallacious to claim that Terry's treatment was purely a family
matter, but it is also interesting that those who tend to advocate government
involvement in family matters (e.g. the meddling of government programs
into families when there is assistance given) also seem to be against the
life sustaining provision of food/water to Terry.  (These TEND also to be
the death-cult kind who TEND to advocate abortion as a primary form of
birth control.)


Ah, like GW Bush, in the texas law cited above. Perhaps the needless war in Iraq was yet another cult initiation for him? (see below)

There is some amount of death cult mentality (abortion/killing terry), but
also perhaps not regarding the husbands' behavior as being bad.  (He should
have divorced Terry, which would have given control to her parents.)


He did this because he respected her wishes, and knew what the parents would do. He is a hero. He got nothing out of this except pain and anguish. Any money went to her support long before. He could have walked away years ago. He did it to honor her memory, which is all that was left for those long years.

Don't suggest that I am a 'life at any cost' type person, because the more
humane treatment for her would have been a stronger dose of painkillers
earlier on, but that would have been illegal (assuming that her husband
was being honest in his miracle remembering of her wishes 7yrs after her
accident, and after his receipt of the money.)  Being involved with the
end of life issues for a couple of family members, I am quite aware of
most of the issues and emotions.  I wouldn't have entertained the murder
of a family member, however.  Any witholding of food/water from a living
being where that is the primary cause of death would be little or no
different from witholding food/water from a child.

Her family are also not 100% 'pure', but they might have been a more
appropriate guardian.

This is definitely a case where the worst weasel has won by participating
in a death cult, and the weasel appeared to do everything legally, and
those politicians who were very worried that a murder might be occuring
(ethically/morally -- not legally) and acted politically unwisely will likely
be the losers.

This goes to show that the death cult can win, and those who believe
in the preciousness of life can easily lose.


Ok, count with me: 152 executions in texas. "The Texas Futile Care Law". 20 thousand dead Iraqis.

Who belongs to this death cult again?

http://www.commondreams.org/views/061700-102.htm
http://www.shortnews.com/shownews.cfm?id=46865
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

--
Regards,
  Robert Monsen

"Your Highness, I have no need of this hypothesis."
    - Pierre Laplace (1749-1827), to Napoleon,
       on why his works on celestial mechanics make no mention of God.
.

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