Re: OT: Thread Hijack: Drugs vs. War - was: Re: Twilight for the fishes, we say goodby to our great Clown Loach.

On Fri, 08 Apr 2005 23:51:03 +0000, Roger Johansson wrote:

> Rich The Philosophizer wrote:
>
>> > If we are to understand how the social world works, and how old
>> > traditions are forming us, causing a lot of problems for mankind, we
>> > cannot just find justification for what we are today and for our
>> > current lifestyle. We have to compare our individual experiences and
>> > our mental development, finding out why we have become what we are,
>> > why some people become alcoholics, wife beaters, serial killers, happy
>> > married men, unhappy 14 year old girls running away from home, angry
>> > young men who beat up others in the street, etc.,
>
>> And when you learn to understand what's presented at that website,
>
> If I need to learn something to understand something which is presented in
> a language which is not clear and concrete I wonder if I am in a church of
> some kind.

Well, it's no kind of church - almost the opposite. It's more like they
try to explain that Deity is in everybody, and we can communicate with
them directly, kinda like taking the church with you:
http://www.godchannel.com/reality.html

>> plus possibly other sources, it explains all of that stuff, and what we
>> need to do to fix it.
>
> I see no concrete suggestions in clear language about changing the real
> world. No clear language analysis of how the social processes work or what
> traditions these processes are based on.

Here ya go:
http://www.godchannel.com/4steps.html
>
>> > But he doesn't describe how he got there, what personal experiences
>> > led him to draw what conclusions and make what decisions along the
>> > way.
>
>> No, but I am considering putting up a blog of some kind so people could
>> read about me if they want to, rather than telling my life story in
>> newsgroup posts. ;-)
>
> Newsgroup texts are preserved forever, blogs disappear as soon as your
> account is ended. You can avoid critical comments completely in a blog,
> not in a newsgroup. Maybe these differencies sound positive to you ;-)

Well, the way I understand it, a blog is nothing but an on-line diary;
sort of a guestbook for oneself. Except some of them let other people
leave comments, but they're usually shown in a smaller font.
>
> For an open and rational discussion newsgroups are much better.
> alt.society.futures is my favorite, low activity and discussions like
> these fit the newsgroup name.

I'm trying to get over my laziness and put up a Matt Wright wwwboard
on one of my websites. They can be laid out similar to a NG, if you
wanted to. But on the web, I'd want some kind of registration or
something, like you have to send an email and the autoresponder
gives you a password or something.

>> > He is just describing the ideology he needs today, and that doesn't
>> > explain much about why he wants/needs that ideology today. It does not
>> > help us understand how he and his social environment work and how it
>> > forms and shapes people's minds.
>
>> Yeah. They say "experience is the best teacher" and all that - I do have
>> some interesting experiences, but it'd be hard to present the context of
>> what I've personally gleaned and where I get my crazy ideas, without it
>> sounding like a big whine. ;-)
>
> Wise people have sounded like whiners all through history. That's how
> progress has been achieved.
> And I can understand the problems with presenting the background to ideas,
> for confused people ;-), there are a lot of them around.
>
>> Here's what I want:
>> "The Mother's dream is that all beings in Creation experience their
>> true grandeur and greatness. And in their greatness, do whatever they
>> desire. The Mother's deepest desire is that you and everyone else in
>> Our Creation be completely free and empowered to do whatever you want,
>> go wherever you wish and be with whomever you choose.
>>
>> "At first your mind will have difficulty understanding how this
>> could be possible, but We can assure you it is not only possible, but
>> necessary.
>
> I see, it is a little like the message of the church. If I can understand
> and accept the message of the church I can become happy and get lots of
> friends in the spiritual community of the church?

Ick! *** No!

>> Free Will, completely free and joyous in the presence of unwavering
>> loving Light is the truly natural way in our Creation. And this Creation
>> is the basis of your own Creation and the full manifestation of your
>> greatness."
>> - from http://www.godchannel.com/folksinterview.html
>
> I am sure you are not aware of it, but you are actually close to
> replicating the classical message of all churches, "if you understand and
> accept our message you will be savioured, you will be reborn and very
> happy".

Nope. Nobody's getting "savioured" unless they "saviour" themselves. Maybe
it would be useful to you to understand your resistance to trying out a
bigger version of reality.

> These churches are not interested in talking in clear language, not
> interested in changing the real world. They are more interested in finding
> a way to understand the world and how to spread that message so all people
> can be happy.
>
> One science fiction writer described the situation as a world where the
> state/church had spread out a virus which made it very uncomfortable to
> live, unless you took a pill issued by the church every day, and in that
> way the church could keep the population under control. Do as we say,
> think as we tell you and you will be in heaven, otherwise you will be in
> hell.

You clearly haven't even looked at the website. The situation you describe
is precisely what needs to be _undone_ if Creation is going to survive:
"Free Will means there is no Will above. There is no higher authority.
The buck stops here. I decide. Free Will is in charge... and makes the
choices for what happens and how. Humans in their weakness ask for
divine help, and in their strength... solve their own problems, thank
you very much."
- http://www.godchannel.com/evolve.html

Cheers!
Rich

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