Re: OT: Civil War Narrowly Averted in Schiavo Case

In <pan.2005.04.11.03.26.36.426909@xxxxxxxxxx>, on 04/10/05
at 08:26 PM, Bob Monsen <rcsurname@xxxxxxxxxx> said:
>>
>You are saying that the 4 members who were trying to prevent the court
>from mortgaging its reputation to assure a victory for GW Bush were
>misusing their power? That would be laughable if it weren't so obviously
>wrong.

If you look at the subject header, and then reflect on what happend to
this woman in that same state, and that same court, I think its easy to
see that the FSC has credibility problems from the get-go.

>>
>>
>This does not matter. There were republican and democratic observers. The
>republicans were, of course, told to make as much trouble as they could,
>to slow the process.

Meanwhile, Big Al hired telemarketers to call tends of thousands of
Floridians, the day after the election, and tell them that their votes
were not being counted, when there was no proof that such a thing was
going on. Class act, all the way to the end

>However, the vote was slowly inching towards the
>proper result. Remember the "Brooks Brothers" riots? Republican
>congressional staffers, intentionally flown down to disrupt the
>proceedings, and thus slow things down?

Not much compared to the actual candidate authorizing the thousands and
thousands of calls filled with lies to incite the public, and create even
more problems. Class act, all the way to the end

>nonsese. Nobody considered it even worthy of debate. There would have
>been mass demonstrations, and they would have eventually bowed to the
>will of the people. This is obvious. The supreme court ruling was a
>brilliant checkmate of the Gore people, the FSC, and the American people.

The paranoia that you continue to pour out is actually quite frightening.

What is amazing to me is you give all this credit to the Bush people for
"checkmating" Gore and overthrowing the Republic, and yet the liberal left
continues to call Bush a stupid man, who has no brains. Based on your
position, he is smarter than the left, and if he is stupid, what does that
leave the liberals?

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>This was the Gore folk's real mistake. They should have immediately
>pushed for a statewide recount. However, that was not really possible,
>due to Florida law. They would have had to wait until certification to
>request a statewide recount. By then, they would have lost the momentum.

No, Gore's mistake was being such a *** head that the citizens of his own
state didn't even want him to be president. If he had only won his own
home state.........

>>
>Actually, they were attempting to continue the recount. The recount was
>clearly, and finally, the right thing to do. Even if Gore lost, it was
>the right thing to do. Because of the SC's rash partisan ruling, we can
>have these kinds of arguments without ever really knowing what would have
>happened.

The right thing to do is to follow the law, which is what they did. The
wrong thing to do is to pretend to be a democracy, and alter the laws on
the fly, to fit the agenda of the masses.

>This makes no difference. If there are both republican and democratic
>observers, the intention of the voter can easily be established.

The voter makes his intention known by punching the ballot. Does the left
now believe in telepathy, and the ability to divine intent by handling the
ballot and invoking the spirit of democracy to inspire them as to the
wished of the person who handled the ballot before?

>>> The ONLY reason to stop it is that the count was getting too close
>for
>>> comfort.
>>

Again, massive amounts of paranoia coming through.

>>
>Yes, there was a rush by the obviously partisan Kathleen Harris to
>certify the election results. This was nonsense, given that there were
>active recounts.

All she was doing was following the law. Did she follow the law, as it is
written? Yes. That does not make her a republican stooge.

>Yawn. Sure thing bub.

Quick, someone create a web page and put this guy out of his misery....


>g) The supreme court was packed with conservatives. In particular,
>Scalia, Kennedy, and O'Connor were, according to leaked admissions of
>clerks, acting inappropriately through the whole situation.

O'Conner is NOT a conservative, and neither is Kennedy. Take a look at
their record, and you cannot call them anything but liberal, NWO thinkers.

>http://makethemaccountable.com/articles/The_Path_To_Florida.htm

another web site. Gee, that must make it all true.

The bigger issue here is two fold.

1) you are paranoid beyond belief.

2) you actually think that either side, right or left, is smart enough,
and has the brain power to pull off what you accuse them of, in the time
that it occured. Forget the legal argument, forget the fact that your hat
with the tiny propeller has been hit by lightening, and forget the fact
that "they" are everywhere, and realize that our government officials are
stupid, incapable of quick, efficient thinking, and unable to organize and
agree on anything, EVER.

Your arguments might pass muster if the people you accuse of wrongdoing
were smart enough to do it in the first place. A quick read of this, and a
thousand other usenet groups and you will see that in general, politicians
are idiots, incapable of independent, 'on your feet' thinking, and could
in now way ever pull of the conspiracy you are presenting. Its just not
possible. We see these morons in action every day. No way could either
side pull off such a titanic steal.

It has been four years, and Bush is still president, the liberals have
given up, except for you and that bald advisor guy on CNN. The legal
challenges have all failed, and yet you and three other tin foil hatted
conspiracy theorists are still spewing all the legal double talk, with no
hope of accomplishing anything, other than dragging it on and on and on
and on.

Its one thing to disagree, its another to dedicate your life to a cause
that has no reason to exist, and can never be brought to a conclusion to
meet your fears.

Move on man. There is so much more you could do with your legal skills,
and so many topical issues you could get involved in that would benefit
everyone.

Gore lost. Schiavo is dead. The Branch Davidians are dead, Randy Weaver
lives in hell every night. Bill Clinton's sperm was all over the dress,
and he lied to a federal judge under oath. Elian is in Cuba, and the world
is still a crappy place to live. The Constitution, which is rather
required in order to make ANY of your arguments valid, is completely
overthrown and without authority in this country. We have a government
that is not even authorized to exist, and all you can do is whine about an
election four years ago?

I read your posts, and you are a wise man in a lot of ways. You can do
better than this.

JB




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