Re: OT: Dogbert's New Ruling Class Newsletter, April, 2005

"Scott Stephens" <scottxs@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Its the left, BTW, the ilk of Ted Kazinski, and the several leftist
> comedians have "joked" Republican politicians should be killed.

Again, they're not serious.
Hence they don't get arrested for incitement to violence.

> Conservatives don't do that.

The right wing are pretty keen on the death penalty though.

> I should keep a list to prove they exist. A "vast left-wing conspiracy" to
> match Hillary's "vast right-wing conspiracy".

Please take it to the local police station with your other evidence and
demand they do something about all these goddamn commies and their
un-American activities.

> I hate with loathing and disgust, and fear,
> for leftists advocate theft, and occasionally assassination.

The inside of your head sounds a bleak place to be...

> No, Libertarians and I do not advocate the imposition of moral standards
> by law, I leave that to Nature. Besides, I'm more liberal than
> conservative in tolerating the stupidity and vice of self-destructive
> fools.

Apart from insulting them here.

> The universe exists, it has a quantity of space-time real estate, and it
> operates on Principle, which we, to the best of our knowledge, describe by
> physical law. This is very close to eastern religious traditional notions
> of "God".

Hmm..


> Would you kill someone trying to kill you?

Perhaps but only with extreme reluctance.

> Would that be good?

No, it would be the lesser of two evils.
The guy might be paranoid depressive for example.
He didn't chose to be mentally ill.

In that case I would try to disarm him with a kick in the love spuds, then
tie him to a comfy chair with tea and crumpets for elevenses.

Do I hear "oh no, not the comfy chair!"?

> Are you a pacifist that would never fight a war?

Depends on the reason for the war.
Extremist genocidal ranters invading Poland, Norway etc. - yes,
unsubstantiated rumours of WMD - no.
political or religious arguments - no.

> Do you advocate government theft (taxation) from one group to another,

Well some public services do benefit everyone even if indirectly.
Someone has to pay for the police, the fire service, the coast guard, the
border patrols, the passport agency, etc.

Civilised countries usually have some public health service and child
support.
You might complain while you were healthy and had no kids.
But most medical costs people incur in the 6 months before they die.
By that time it is no use wondering why there are no funds for that
expensive final care, or younger people educated enough to administer it.

> for whatever whim a politician offers the favoured interest as a bribe?

Public money used for public benefit is good,
used for anything else is corruption.

Not all taxation is corrupt. It is everyone's duty to be keep any eye on
where it is spent and why. Complain about corruption, but that's no excuse
to stop paying everything.

> You know where I'm headed.

I have suspicions.

> You've made arguments based in social-proof,

No, in a completely f*kd society it is certainly possible for the majority
to be wrong (e.g. 1930s Germany). In a much healthier society ranting
extremists tend to be avoided and not propelled to positions of power.

Someone once joked that the USA is the only state to have gone from
barbarism to decadence without the intermediate stage of civilisation.
Personally I find most of the yanks I meet are okay, but then they tend to
be engineers who are generally intelligent and polite as a group anyway.


> You don't know what you believe or why. Aren't your a shallow poseur,
> living the life you think the average of those you see around you live?

No.

> Been there, done that as a teenager. Then I tried to be a good Christian,
> because they claimed the Bible was the universal, objective way, truth and
> light. Not the depraved fashions, the whims of the mob that defines what
> is "normal" and what is "deviant".

I never assimilated any religious indoctrination in the first place.

Nor did I take up smoking, shoplifting, sex with strangers, bullying,
racism, extreme politics, wasting money on wacky styles/haircuts, or any
other "trendy" activities.

I was a serious deviant, actually wanting to get my school work done and
spending my time on electronics and computing.

Closets are for clothes. But mainly for stashing computer bits and
magazines! :-)

> Perhaps you aught to grow up and start thinking too. Its hard, and scary,
> and takes courage and the shallow poseurs you abandon will hate you for
> dishonouring and abandoning them to their ignorance and depravity, but its
> never to late to reclaim your soul from the city gutter and live as an
> intelligent, rather than an emulating being.

Yeah, yeah, get off the cross..

I grew up in a place where the blue-collar kids despised anyone interested
in becoming smarter, and the white collar kids despised different races. Bad
news for someone neither 100% dumb or native.

Sure I wasn't a happy bunny with those people but I didn't let that bad
experience fill my soul full of fear, loathing, disgust, hatred etc toward
everybody else

I've read "If".
I kept my head (and mind).

A while back I heard one of the jerks from school committed suicide, another
got cancer (too much being cool smoking ciggies maybe?).

> Artists make movies with that theme because those themes first are part of
> the human experience of life, and as artists, its in their hearts and they
> have a passion to express it.

Financial backers choose which movies to finance, and thus have the main say
in the matter.

Script writers may endeavour to produce the work they want, but backers
prefer films with out least one love scene, some starlet gets her tits out,
and the goodies kick bad guy ass and lots of *** gets blown up.

None of which is a big part of my life. :-<

> A pornographer makes pornography because he is full of lust and serves
> those who are full of lust.

You've really got a thing against pornography.

Why? Too reminiscent of the whoring episode?
Do you feel guilty about masturbating?
Dude, 98% of people masturbate, and the other 2% just don't own up to it.

Now if Nietzsche had spent more time wanking over porn and less time with
whores, I daresay he'd have been a healthier happier guy collecting erotica.

Hitler, late 1930s. "Shall I don mein sexy black leather boots unt
trenchcoat, bugger Poland unt organise ein gigantisch snuff movie? Oder haff
ein nice sehr gross Vank? Ach, ich bin so heiss, I hav got to see all zose
big hard German helmets in motion!"

See? More porn, more wanking, less people in nasty moods.




> "Modern" artists make ink splats for poseurs, conditioned to believe the
> excuses celebrity critics and professors give them for its "popularity".

Hitler hated modern art as well.

> On the contrary, there is a commie-conspiracy movie in production!

Just the one eh?
Out of all the output of Hollywood?

> I'm anticipating the film release of *ATLAS SHRUGGED* =)

Fine, so long as it has a few perky tits and loads of baddies blown up.

> Though not directly about the shallowness of popularity and poseurs,
> "Blade Runner" has some interesting similarities with Fountainhead;
> Individuality, reverence for life, heroic struggle, government that
> doesn't value "unpopular" lives, rather than objectively, defined as
> human.

"Blade Runner" raised many questions about how we should treat beings that
are a partial replica of humanity. This was how western people used to
regard Africans: talking beasts for slave labour and sex. The first group
becomes less human in the process, the replicants though flawed manages to
learn to be more human in his salvation of Dekker and perhaps himself in a
spiritual manner.

And let's not forget that Zora the snake dancer shows her tits, and there's
a fair bit of fighting and shooting in there too. Subtle, but there.


> Heroic, anti-communist, individualist themes do sell. "Lord of the Rings"
> sold damn well!

That was arguably more a metaphor for the struggle between pastoral life and
industrial life.
Represented by The Shire and Mordor. Tolkien saw this as his native
Birmingham was gradually swallowed up by industrial buildings.

Then again you automatically assume the baddies are commies.
I don't recall those Orcs debating seizing control of the means of
production from their bourgeois Hobbit capitalist overlords. Maybe it is in
the director's cut?

And although the yummy heroines didn't get their tits out, cos they need
kids to see it, there was a lot of carnage on an epic scale.

> his inferiors. Your typical Arnold Schwarzenegger film. Interesting, even
> profound, but celebrity films don't make the possibility of heroic courage
> any closer to us than fantasy.

Maybe it is just for light hearted happy people to enjoy with a hot dog and
cola.

> Yes; reverence for my soul, a creepy intensity, an innocent cynicism, a
> desire to be a first-cause, a creator, like many engineers. A desire for
> excellence, a disgust for the common and mediocre, a desire for a better
> world (by different means). The will to continue in spite of crippling
> suffering, even the will to power (for different values; not social
> dominance). Yes, I'm proud to say I have much in common with Nietzsche,
> I've learned from him.

Maybe you like being intense and creepy to enjoy making people
uncomfortable?
Maybe you like despising common people as a way to feel superior?

Doesn't that make you a bully?

> And where do you find inspiration?

All around. I can marvel at the beauty of a tiny plankton, distant stars,
cunning electronic design, and as a heterosexual human male I am structured
to find the form of a healthy young human female most beautiful and elegant
of all.

> The atheists that tell you you are a meaningless, dirty bag of saltwater?

They tell me nothing of the sort.

As Shakespeare noted, we are a quintessence of dust.
But also so much more than the sum of our parts.


> I didn't call you an evil ***, there you go again twisting my words.

You used equally unpleasant words then.

> You obviously enjoy argument as much as I. And I doubt any of us here
> advocate or practice initiating violence against other. I hope anyways.

You need to appreciate that verbal violence hurts the minds of others as
much as physical violence hurts the body. Hence there are often laws against
both. Verbal violence is often a precursor to physical violence. Bullies
often think they are "toughening up" their victims. If it don't kill them,
it makes them stronger. Wrong. It can lead to mental breakdowns and suicide.


> Ah, you mean my aesthetic and political opinions and my expression of
> them? Persecution based on "unpopular" personality and opinion is
> deserved?

It isn't a case of total conformity or none.
A black and white case would be simple, but social situations are not like
that.

For example, if someone says "hey, I got given these great sausages by my
butcher buddy, more than I can eat. Anybody want some?" one can politely say
"no thanks I don't agree with eating meat". What one should not do is fly
off the handle and curse him for murdering pigs and reassembling them into a
vile parody of a penis shape.

> I doubt your a bully. Perhaps your one of those wimpy appeasers that
> sucked-up to the bullies and cheered and spit with the mob as they were
> beating up those that didn't conform to social fashions.

No, you don't have that reason to despise me.

> Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot y'all owned the Internet! How rude of me!

No, we share it and try to play nicely with others in the playpen.

If you want to play the intense and creepy kid who nobody likes because you
enjoy the feeling of persecuted martyrdom, then don't complain when the nice
kids start complaining.

> Charlie Brown is a depressed loser

Gee, why does that view not surprise me?

Our world views often reflects our own selves.

I see Charlie Brown as an everyman, making it through his days dealing with
the various different personalities in his life. Despite feeling like the
goat often, his friends remain his friends. And Peppermint Patty secretly
loves him, hiding it under her tomboy shell. He's always ready to offer
people endless chances (e.g. not to snatch the football away). He has a
really cool dog. he is the hero.

I don't know any cartoons where the hero is the intense and creepy guy.
Those two kids who shot up Columbine were like that, I bet they thought they
were dead cool and clever. They are only heroes in their own mind.

> I'm expressing an opinion, which you label intimidating aggressive abuse.

Maybe you don't see it as being intense, creepy, intimidating, aggressive
and abusive, but that is the way it is coming across at this end.

> That's more left-leaning sophistry; label dissenting opinions as
> hate-speech to censor dissent.

No, it's just people are offended by you.
I doubt you do it for that purpose, more like you simply don't appreciate
their feelings, or have any empathy for people you dismiss as inferior
minds.

> You employ the same methods as left-leaning scoffers. You label those that
> dissent as crazy, violent extremists spewing hate-speech and intimidate
> them with threats of mob-intimidation.

No, I certainly don't have the will or means to mob intimidate anyone.

"gee, your reactions are way out of proportion, could you tone it down?"
should not be read as
"agree with the crowd or face our wrath"

> Perhaps you're right, it appears this place is desolate of kindred
> spirits.

There was some other guy who kept trying to discuss his revelation of god
all over the place.
He couldn't prove God existed but felt it in his ***. Rather overdoing it
on the Moving in a Mysterious way. He eventually admitted he sounded like
the rantings of a lunatic and was unable to demonstrate the difference.
Short of a *** transplant. I think a simpler explanation might be he
doesn't wipe properly.

If it helps you to let go you can think of us all as mindless braying cattle
hopelessly blind to the commie messages that are so obvious to you. We all
deserve to be falsely happy watching cartoons and simple action movies while
you alone see the true corruption of the world.

Think of it as cultivating the loner aspect of your angry loner persona.

> I should leave, and you can inherit it. Mr. Kryten.

We'll keep an eye on naughty mister Winfield for you, and make sure he
doesn't throw the country into bloody revolution while you're off enjoying
yourself.

I'm sure you'll be back when you're bored.

See you later, commie baiter :-)


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