Re: OT: Canada Agrees to be Missile Target

In article <d5al3b$kho$2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
kensmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Ken Smith) writes:
> In article <Xns964C23BCDA4Djyanikkuanet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> Jim Yanik <jyanik@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>kensmith@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Ken Smith) wrote in
>>news:d5981h$n23$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
>>
>>> In article <Xns964BD191631CDjyanikkuanet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>>> Jim Yanik <jyanik@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>And then we left and they governed themselves.
>>>
>>> So, the US is finally pulling out of Texas. I'm glad to hear it.
>>
>>Didn't Texas vote to join the US?
>
> Texas was taken away from Mexico by force of arms.
>
>>> Chile and Mexico make two examples to disprove your claim.
>>
>>We do not rule either of those countries.
>>Could you elucidate on Chile?
>
> Texas was part of Mexico. It was taken away in a war. The US is still
> there.
>
The US was a colony of England, and we took our country away from them.
Texas was populated by people who were encouraged to live there. Those
people did remove themselves from the incredibly tyrranical rule of Mexico.
Texas was at least a partial popular revolt.

>
> Now, can you suggest two places where the US sent in troops for the good
> of the people living there?
>
Now, can you support any claim that the US tries to 'rule' other countries,
and has 'ruled' other countries for a timeframe beyond what is necessary
to maintain rule and to stablize. Please try to avoid any claim that
conflates the US trying to maintain its own sovereignty instead of
letting the lesser nations (in the guise of the UN) control the US...
Please show where the predominant rule of West Germany by the US was
done worse than by the socialist (e.g. like the Democrat party types
of Stalin, etc) mecca of USSR ruling East Germany... Perhaps Germany
would have been better off as being all communist (and incredibly unfree)
instead of being partially/temporarily ruled (at least, predominantly) by
the US for several years.


>
> I suggest two because I can think of one
> where it could be claimed if you stretch a point.
>
I'd still like to see any proof that the US tries to rule other countries.
Instead it is VERY CLEAR that many other countries are trying to rule
the US and causing it to violate the spirit of its own constitution by
tieing it up with unwise treaties. (It is well known by competent people
that the US constitution can be partially overruled by treaties.)

>
> You suggested this was
> always the case, so you should have a large number of examples.
>
Still waiting for the explanation of the incredibly incompetent
(implied similar) comparison between the US and Rome. Actually,
the US is very much the opposite of Rome, where the US doesn't
tax the nations that it is involved with. Note that many of the
nations are ACTIVELY trying to tax the US (e.g. technology taxes,
fuel/CO2 taxes, etc.)

Actually, you would find that 1800's Britian was much closer to the
comparision with Rome than the US, but that is also not quite correct.

>
>
>>IIRC,the creation of the Panama Canal.We don't rule that country either.
>>Not even the Canal Zone anymore.I'm sure they have been and are far better
>>off than if the US had never made the Canal,or ignored them.
>
> The US took land by force of arms to create the canal. It was done for US
> interests not the good of the people who lived there.
>
This is a perfect example where the US has done good, but you cannot even
admit that... Sad... Note that you didn't choose to live in the country
where you do live, and you didn't choose that form of government. This
doesn't make the founders of your country to be evil people. Likewise,
the Queen of England (or England itself) isn't an evil person/regime for
the damage done to the US in its early years. Is the 'civilized' part
of Pakistan better than then 'uncivilized' part of that nation (almost
untouched by the west?) On the other hand, much of the current Iraq problem
is due to the western influence by Britian/France where it was arbitrarily
and incompetently built from hodge podge of constituents. (The only benefit
of Saddam was to hold Iraq together, necessary because of the stupid
choices made by the idiot colonial powers.)

>
> BTW: Since we can't run the
> history both ways, we will never know what the locals would have done
> without the canal.
>
Actually, the best comparision might be to compare with the surrounding
regions around Panama that are just far enough away to have NO economic
advantage from the canal. Perhaps a good comparison would be the life
southern and/or seperatist regions of Mexico.

All in all, your comments help to show the GREAT GOOD that the US
has done. On the other hand, the US has done some bad during the
cold war. Alas, the Socialist Mecca of France seems to still be acting
like it was in a cold war (by actively supporting tyrants like Saddam
and Arafat), while the US has been quite enlightened.

John

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