Re: Rich Grise
- From: Keith Williams <krw@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:36:55 -0400
In article <83ild1pu73afasil1oqjhs0v4i6p43ssrv@xxxxxxx>,
jjlarkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx says...
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:59:32 -0700, Jim Thompson
> <thegreatone@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:53:23 -0700, John Larkin
> ><jjlarkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >>On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 19:25:50 +0000, Guy Macon
> >><_see.web.page_@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Frank Raffaeli wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>So I'm not much of a usenet expert, posting from google and all ...
> >>>>just learned what "plonk" means. Wonder why it's important.
> >>>
> >>>It's important because it tells you that, when you read posts that
> >>>are full of personal attacks, the target of those attacks has
> >>>chosen to use special software so that he doesn't see any posts
> >>>by the attackers - they are shouting into an empty hall. It also
> >>>tells you that the person being attacked has decided to rise above
> >>>the pettyness and to refuse to dignify any further personal attacks
> >>>with a response.
> >>>
> >>> "Usenet being what it is, if you participate in newsgroups
> >>> at all over a period if time you have the possibility of
> >>> attracting your own personal lunatic, who considers any
> >>> disagreement a personal affront, and considers it their
> >>> duty and obligation to "expose" the person they fixate on.
> >>> It's kind of pathetic, but they can't quite seem to figure
> >>> out why no one else sees their actions as heroic."
> >>> -Richard Ward
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Here is the official definition:
> >>>
> >>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>Plonk
> >>>
> >>>[Usenet: possibly influenced by British slang `plonk' for cheap booze,
> >>>or `plonker' for someone behaving stupidly (latter is lit. equivalent
> >>>to Yiddish `schmuck')] The sound a newbie makes as he falls to the
> >>>bottom of a kill file. While it originated in the newsgroup talk.bizarre,
> >>>this term (usually written "*plonk*") is now (1994) widespread on Usenet.
> >>>
> >>>See also kill file.
> >>>
> >>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>Killfile
> >>>
> >>>[Usenet; very common] (alt. `KILL file') Per-user file(s) used by some
> >>>Usenet reading programs (originally Larry Wall's rn(1)) to discard
> >>>summarily (without presenting for reading) articles matching some
> >>>particularly uninteresting (or unwanted) patterns of subject, author,
> >>>or other header lines. Thus to add a person (or subject) to one's kill
> >>>file is to arrange for that person to be ignored by one's newsreader in
> >>>future. By extension, it may be used for a decision to ignore the
> >>>person or subject in other media.
> >>>
> >>>See also plonk.
> >>>
> >>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>Troll
> >>>
> >>>1. v.,n. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting
> >>>on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the
> >>>post itself. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in
> >>>turn comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one
> >>>trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite.
> >>>The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and
> >>>flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do,
> >>>while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in
> >>>fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be
> >>>in on it. See also YHBT.
> >>>
> >>>2. n. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts
> >>>specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup,
> >>>discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone
> >>>or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they
> >>>have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply
> >>>want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after,
> >>>they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are
> >>>recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him,
> >>>he's just a troll."
> >>>
> >>>Some people claim that the troll (sense 1) is properly a narrower
> >>>category than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by containing
> >>>some assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial.
> >>>
> >>>The use of `troll' in either sense is a live metaphor that readily
> >>>produces elaborations and combining forms. For example, one not
> >>>infrequently sees the warning "Do not feed the troll" as part of
> >>>a followup to troll postings.
> >>>
> >>>See also Kook.
> >>>
> >>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >>Get a life, Guy.
> >>
> >>John
> >
> >Guy who? John, WHY do you reply to such a cretin?
> >
> > ...Jim Thompson
>
>
>
> Well, since I'm plonked, he can't see me. So, just because it pleases
> me.
>
> And because I'm bored. I'm writing a manual for a product we're just
> now designing. I always write the manual before we design the product,
> so we know what we're trying to do, and so that we can float it past a
> few potential customers for comment/admiration/purchase orders. But I
> hate to write manuals, so it's just as well I do it before, otherwise
> it might never get done. The PowersThatBe want me to use Word, even
> worse.
PowersThatBe? Word? Good thing that we're still allowed (required?)
to use Frame.
> Maybe we'll go around the neighborhood and look at the Sunday
> afternoon open homes and pick some blackberries.
I live on "Blackberry Rd.", but I never get to them before the birds.
> Range is $400K (1/1
> condo, 500 sq ft) up to well over a megabuck for something two people
> could stand to live in. We love to prowl around in other people's
> closets and chat up realtors.
$800/sq.ft. Amazing.
--
Keith
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