Re: OT: followup on New Orleans - disgraceful
- From: John Larkin <jjlarkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 08:29:22 -0700
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:33:32 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>
>
>John Larkin wrote:
>> On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 04:56:13 +0100, Pooh Bear
>> <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>A poster to the previous thread I started posted the following link.
>>>
>>>http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2005/08/31/disaster_preparation/
>>>
>>>Includes...
>>>
>>>" A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New
>>>Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush
>>>administration ordered that the research not be undertaken. "
>>>
>>>your comments are welcome
>>>
>>>
>>>Graham
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> 1. A study, started last year, wouldn't have made any difference. And
>> the locals could have funded their own damned study, 50 years ago.
>>
>> 2. NOLA has been pumping out water, and lowering itself, for over 100
>> years. During that time, sea level hasn't dropped any. This had to
>> happen.
>>
>> 3. Lots of administrations, from Teddy Roosevelt on, could have gotten
>> concerned and done something about it. None did.
>>
>> 4. The effects of an "optimum" hurricane on New Orleans have been
>> predicted for decades, with most estimates of lose-the-city
>> probability running around 1% per year. Some scenarios were much
>> worse.
>>
>> 5. The Big Easy isn't noted for administrative competance, or worrying
>> about the future, or doing much of anything well except maybe cooking.
>> That's one reason why I left.
>>
>> John
>>
>
>Maybe- but it is clear from your reasoning that you come from the same
>stock, dumb as hell. The New Orleans disaster points up , once again,
>the ignorance, disorganization, and single-minded special interests
>within modern day "leadership." The city had no jurisdiction over the
>levees so that a local study would have been pointless. A coordinated
>study involving the state, city, NOAA, FEMA, and the Army Corps of
>engineers would have made more sense. Clearly a multi-phase, realistic
>plan, initially focused on damage control, and ultimately evolving into
>outright physical rehabilitation of the levee system would have been the
>most obvious outcome, with the engineering and weather data justifying
>the creation of various emergency response policies, plans, and funds.
>It is obvious that there was absolutely nothing in place at the state or
>municipal level but a bunch of clueless blowhards standing in front of a
>TV camera and telling people they should leave- even after the fact it
>took the idiots several days to realize the magnitude of the human
>disaster they had on their hands. The whole incident stinks of blatant
>stupidity from square one: packing people into the superdome with no
>forethought of logistics support under extreme circumstances of
>accessibility, absolutely no support planned for emergency health care
>or re-supply, absolutely no thought of civil disobedience, looting, and
>lawlessness, absolutely no idea of the potential for major disease
>outbreak what with 1000's bodies, feces, and who knows what mixed in
>with the flood waters, and absolutely not a grain of an idea of the
>magnitude of material for basic life support material such as food and
>water. It appears that the hurricane itself was just the start of
>things, the total failure of leadership, the idiots who have control of
>the resources, is ongoing. All of these catastrophic consequences are
>well-known and easily bounded. For example, there are many scientific
>NIH funded social studies that tell us with absolute certainty that the
>majority of black people will not believe a damned thing the government
>or any authority figure tells them- duhhhhh- that means we have a
>quantifiable estimate of the number of people who will refuse an
>evacuation order- duhhh- last minute evacuation orders will not work for
>them- and many of them had no where to go and no means to get there-
>duhhh- what does an evacuation order accomplish- duhhhh. This list could
>go on for another 10 pages- it's a waste of time talking with morons
>like you, you're an idiot.
I was smart enough to get out.
You sure make that duhhhh noise a lot. My wife is a speech
pathologist, and she says that you can probably get that fixed.
John
.
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