Re: Bush is either a liar, or an idiot, or both.

keith wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 20:45:05 +0100, Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:


keith wrote:


On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 19:50:44 +0100, Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:



keith wrote:



On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:58:46 +0100, Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:




Fred Bloggs wrote:




Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:




Fred Bloggs wrote:




Dirk Bruere at Neopax wrote:




Fred Bloggs wrote:




And then the stranded population in New Orleans was just a very small fraction of the total stranded all throughout the Gulf Coast. The military was ordered to mobilize a relief effort for the whole region- and this means ships and heavy air transport- and this is exactly what they are doing. They are not going to drop everything and possibly abandon the other people just to make a publicity coup for the group in New Orleans. And on top of that, New Orleans had security and control problems which required additional planning and deployment- makes their situation worse because it's going to take longer.





Crap.
Tens of thousands of people crowded into a small space without food, water or law should have been THE priority. It was certainly easy enough from a logistical POV.


It is not easy logistically because water is not easy to transport- and all the local water was salt water, de-salination may not be part of the Army inventory of field water supply installations and they don't have all that many anyway. There comes a time when people need to start to taking of themselves or at least mitigate their suffering- this did not occur in New Orleans. You just let the planners who have intimate knowledge of their capability and best situational awareness run this show- and don't worry about it.



Well, supplying law and order plus basic medical supplies for the most needy would have been *easy*. 500 troops airlifted into the stadium would have done it with no problem whatsoever.


There *were* Louisiana National Guard at the stadium from the beginning, they were controlling the original occupancy. You mean they left during the storm?




BTW, how have the people from the stadium been evacuated given that the water has not subsided?


Apparently they are just a short walk through knee-deep water to a major roadway that is intact.

Pity that the US military didn't think of walking. 


The US military doesn't have the authority to intervene in domestic
affairs.  That authority can only come from Congress, which is not in
session.


Oh.. the holidays.
And I thought there wasn't a good excuse...



The "excuse" is that it is *illegal* for the US military to operate
against US citizens on US soil, without the explicit authority from
Congress.  ...or Janet Reno.


So a soldier handing out a food pack is an act of treason.
Got it.



Whatever.  It *IS* illegal.  Euro-losers will never understand those who
cherish freedom, so why waste breath/ink/bits.

I guess not.
It wasn't us that spent the last 40yrs crushing democracies we didn't like (except on US orders). Now, tell us again how the Shah came to power, and Saddam, and how OBL got a leg up from the US govt, and explain how Allende was a real threat to freedom whereas the military dictatorship that replaced him wasn't. And let's not forget what a democrat and supporter of freedom Samoza was before those nasty Sandinistas finally got rid of him. And then you can move on to what a good job your pal Musharaff is, you know, the nuclear armed Islamic military dictator. Not to mention your best friend in Uzbekistan who boils political prisoners alive.

Yup - we Europeans just don't understand Freedom like you do.

FFF
Dirk

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