Re: Bush is either a liar, or an idiot, or both.

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 22:20:28 -0700, Bob Monsen wrote:

> On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 22:27:53 -0400, keith wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:47:27 -0700, Bob Monsen wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 12:01:14 -0400, John Popelish wrote:
>>>
>>>> Reg Edwards wrote:
>>>>> [quoted text muted]
>>>>
>>>>> [quoted text muted]
>>>>
>>>> So parents do not have responsibility to their children?
>>>
>>> You are making an assumption about who is the boss in the relationship... ;)
>>
>> I feel sorry for your children. There is no assumption, only fact.
>> ...smiley noted.
>>
>
> They seem happy enough.
>
>> Adults who must be "friends" with their kids piss me off. "Friends" are
>> equals. Until "children" are self-sufficeint, they are not and cannot be
>> treated in any way as equals, thus are not "friends". Yes, my son and I
>> have been quite friendly, since he's on his own. ;-)
>
> I agree, you can't let your children own you. Veruka in "Willie
> Wonka" comes to mind. Limits are crucial. However, make no mistake, you
> are working for them, not the other way around.

I've never made any such mistake. My son never did any work I wouldn't
do (examples of the opposite are abundant ;-).

> They carry your precious
> genetic material. Your sole purpose at this point is to further it by
> helping them out, so they are the important ones in the relationship.

Of course. I've helped my son out by calling on friends for favors
that I wouldn't ask for myself. When he decided that he didn't want to go
to college, I was dissapointed but that wasn't my decision to make. He
immediately started paying "rent" (about $100/wk). Too bad; life's rough!
The point wasn't the $100, but that he was responsible for his decisions
(see elow).

> The trick is to keep them from figuring this out for as long as possible... ;)

He still hasn't figured out that we banked most of the "rent" he was
paying. When he bought a car, he thought I paid the $1500 down payment
(in $100s) out of my hip. I'm not *that* nice of a guy! ;-) ...though I
also guaranteed the loan.

--
Keith
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