Re: OT: Inflammatory Post of the Week


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> Frithiof Andreas Jensen wrote:
> > <bill.sloman@xxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> > > Regrettably, my carping is relatively well-informed - try this from
the
> > > top of a google search on "U.S. balance of payments deficit"
> > >
> > > http://www.digitaleconomist.com/bop_4020.html
> >
> > That is not the US's problem; it will be the problem of whoever insists
on
> > being long US Assets (like European pension funds), but the average
American
> > can rightly ignore the deficit!
>
> IIRR, the trade deficit is pretty close to what the U.S. spends on
> importing oil. If the trade deficit is drastically cut back, the
> domestic price of oil and gasoline is going to have to rise
> dramatically, and the average U.S.consumer is going to have to make
> painful choices about transport and home heating - the country is going
> to have to consume a lot less oil, and that is going to hurt (in the
> short term).
>
> > It never fail to annoy people that one *can* be irresponsible without
being
> > punished. To annoy double, one should have fun while being
irresponsible.
> >
> > The American image of Guns, Petrol guzzling cars, Booze and combining
all
> > three, shooting the *** out of stuff in the desert must really annoy
the
> > puritan have-not's that are left behind.
>
> There's nthing particularly annoying about natural selection in action,
> if they aren't killing themselves off on my doorstep.
>
> > > You probably don't like hearing that your bubble is on the verge of
> > > bursting, but if we can drag you through denial to resignation and
> > > acceptance, you may find a way to anticipate some of the problems that
> > > will show up when the situation comes to a head.
> >
> > Who is in denial:
>
> Think about it ....
>
> > The last time the US economy really blew up, it was *Europe* that got
itself
> > into two wars and got about 70 Million killed over it. If/When it blows
> > again, I predict that the Muslims will get an entirely new perspective
on
> > the Jews from their shared experience and that we will easily beat the
100
> > Million target too. And that the US will eventually put a stop to it.
>
> The U.S. did precipitate the Great Depression
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression
>
> and the damage that it did to Germany did - indirectly - lead to WW2.
> One hopes that Europe is in less of mess this time, and better placed
> to weather the storm.
>
> > > reasonably apply for. For my age-group in the Netherlands, the chance
> > > that any individual application will lead to a job is less than 0.1% -
> > > about one in seventy get a job in any one year. I've got a lot more to
> > > offer than the average applicant, but so far all I've had has been a
> > > couple of job interviews. One would have got me a job, if the project
> > > had gone through ...
> >
> > The failing of the "wellfare state" - we tax wages heavily to spend
money on
> > "wellfare" which - like the magic cauldron -is alledged to create all
good
> > things like Job's. At the same time we tax tobacco and spirits to get
*less*
> > of it ... ??
>
> My problem is that I'm 62, and the Dutch suffer badly from age-ism.
> This has very little to do with the Dutch "welfare state" and a lot to
> do with some very old-fashioned ideas about what the age-structure of
> the work-force ought to look like.

Why would they want you, when they can have three for the same price on some
"work support scheme" (or Ten in Poland or Tjekkia). It's the same story
here; if you are more than 55 they like you better dead. It's cheaper for
"society".


>
> > It could not be that taxes reduces jobs, which then requires more taxes
to
> > pay for unemployment, which then creates more "wellfare" errr people on
> > "wellfare" - now could it? Of Course Not, Politicians NEVER, EVER make
> > mistakes(!)!!.
>
> Dubbya being a case in point. In fact there are quite a few high tech
> jobs around in the Netherlands, and I ought to be a strong contender
> for quite a few of them, but employers prefer to hire younger people if
> they can persuade themselves that the kiddies can do the job.
>
> > Europe is failing - France is just a precursor - and that's we are so
busy
> > whining over America all the time; It is easier to moan over other
peoples
> > behaviour (which we cannot change) than to do something about one's own
> > mess - especially when one has carefully created the mess over many
years of
> > dilligent effort.
>
> Europe's balance of payments and budget deficits are in much better
> shape than those of the US. If you want to claim that Europe is
> failing, you will have to find some evidence to support this
> idiosyncratic point of view.

Simple:

Look at the number of people living on wellfare compared to the total
population. And then consider how employment statistics find ways to exclude
those people in order to meet OECD targets for "good housekeeping".

In Denmark we now have 30% of the population between 18 - 60 living 100% off
wellfare; yet unemployment is below 3%!? I do not believe that 1/3 of the
population is disabled; so "they" are cooking the books hoping for some
miracle to appear or maybe that the *** will hold together long enough to
make it the oppositions problem.

With all that workforce readily available, *why* would anyone employ any
people with some "marks & blemishes" on? Immigrants, older people, people
with minor disabilities e.t.c. There is just no room for them in todays
labour market with their "110%" efficiency targets. That is *Failure* in my
book.

I can, by making a phone call, get a young person *right now* with 2/3 of
the salary paid by the State for six months of "job training" and the young
person cannot refuse because the State will pull his/her wellfare for "not
being available to the labour market". That is what you are competing
against my friend. Paid with your own money too!

All of those people, 1/3 of the population, are passified and manipulated
with the wellfare system - all paid for by ever increasing taxation (the
growth rate of government spending has exceeded the growth rate of the GDP
for decades and eventually the curves are set to meet. In 2015 or so).

So,

- What will those people do once they finally realise that society actually
do not want their contribution and probably never will?

- What will those people *do* should there be a recession so that wellfare
will be cut below subsistence levels?

They will, I.M.O., do the exact same as always in Europe; they will find a
way to start a war (civil- crusade- or otherwise) to exact revenge on "the
system" and clear some space to grow in.

I worry about it:

If one spends some time in factory cafeterias, bier-stuben and football
grounds one will learn that there is a lot of "combustible material" stored;
people visibly *hate* the failing immigration policies of Europe and they
especially *despise* Muslims for they are being seen to not contribute to
society while vocally making demands from it.

All we need is some event to set it off and some person to feed and direct
the hatred.

The politicians never go such places, they visit the VIP lounges of airports
and think that everybody are nice, happy people, with the approved set of
opinions; they do not realise I.M.O. how close the edge really is.

They are flying blind, producing one rapport after another that confirms
what they believe in the first place.


> That France is having the same sort of diadvantage minority riots that
> the U.S. has been having for many years - Watts comes to mind - doesn't
> make it a failed state, any more than the Rodney King riots in Los
> Angles made the U.S. a failed state.

The US, being vastly larger and wealthier, is much more resilient than
France.

>
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> Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
>


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