Re: WTF patents

Ian Bell wrote: 
Walter Harley wrote:


"Ian Bell" <ruffrecords@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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[...]
If you read it carefully you will see he is patenting the specific case
where with one connector plugged in you get the battery working the
electronics and producing and output signal and where with different
connector plugged in you get power routed to the battery to charge it.



How do you get that?  Seems to me that he's trying to patent a whole
variety of things, including the case you mention but also the case where
the
connector carries signal and power at the same time.  But I'm not sure I
know how to read patents; are the claims supposed to be ORed or ANDed?
(That is, does each claim stand on its own, or does the patent only cover
the case where all the claims apply at once?  I've been assuming the
former.)



Depends - there can be dependent claims which work as a group, and
independent claims which work in isolation.

That is a very specific and hence narrowly applicable patent made worse
by the fact it applies only to musical instruments.

Quite a neat idea. Has possibly been done before but it definitely is NOT
the same as phantom power.


I agree; phantom power is smarter.  I don't see where there's any
ingenuity at all in the idea of feeding power through the same connector
as signal,
either at alternate times or at the same time.  My bicycle light's
rechargeable SLA battery does it, for instance.  So does my iPod.  If some
lawyer wants to articulate to me the difference between an iPod and an
electric guitar, I'll be amused.



In patent terms there is a lot. I have patents in my name that apply only to
electronic label printers but which draw on techniques used elsewhere. The
novelty is being smart enough to realise the techniques could be used in
that application. That's another example of narrow patents but in the case
of my patents there were there to protect a specific type of product from
its competitors. This guy's patent is narrow in the same way. So long as
you don't use it on a mucical instrument you are OK to copy it.



One of the things that confuses me about patents is that it seems that
even if an idea is obvious in general, it is possible to patent a specific
instance of it.  Like, the idea of using rechargeable energy sources to
power things-in-general is not new; but he seems to be trying to patent
the idea of using rechargeable energy sources to power musical
instruments.



No he isn't - he is patenting a specific method of using a single socket and
two types of plug.

Ian
Concerning patents, *anyone* is free to copy as they see fit - for -->personal<-- use.
It is the sales that is restricted.
.

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