Re: 2005 was the hottest year on record

On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:36:38 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:36:14 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:19:54 -0000, "Ian"
>><Ian_Buckner_not_@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
>>>message news:rfktt1p07o74cojvbqqc0ncca4lhe4viu1@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>> On 30 Jan 2006 18:35:09 -0800, Winfield Hill
>>>> <Winfield_member@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Ken Smith wrote...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about:
>>>>>> It takes more energy to make them than they produce in their
>>>>>> expected life time. I don't know if this is true but if we
>>>>>> assume that a lot of their price is energy, it looks likely.
>>>>>
>>>>> This isn't true for some current designs, and it will become
>>>>> less so in the future. One of the issues of course, is the
>>>>> cost of raw energy. As it goes up, solar cells look better.
>>>>> And non-silicon solar-energy production looks better yet.
>>>>
>>>> Arizona Public Service operates a HUGE tracking mirror/boiler
>>>> arrangement that produces significant power.... it's on-line (at
>>>> Wintersburg) along with the rest of their system that includes nuclear
>>>> (Wintersburg), water-turbine (Roosevelt Dam), natural-gas-fired
>>>> (Tempe) and coal-fired (4-Corners) units.
>>>>
>>>> Windmills do pretty well also, but you can't put them in Teddy's
>>>> backyard... he's special ;-)
>>>>
>>>> ...Jim Thompson
>>>
>>>I think the statistics tell an interesting story. Jim notes the solar
>>>powered
>>>generation is "HUGE", however it produces less than 0.1% of the APS
>>>generation capacity.
>>>
>>>Regards
>>> Ian
>>>
>>
>>I don't know the numbers... it's been a few years since I've seen the
>>announcement but, IIRC, it serves a few thousand households. It's
>>only an experiment, but does prove viability in a place like Arizona.
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
>
>Viable without subsidies?
>
>
>Best regards,
>Spehro Pefhany

I guess nobody read what I posted... the one I referred to is a solar
STEAM plant. There are also many solar-cell facilities which, in my
opinion, will NEVER be economically viable.

...Jim Thompson
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