Re: [OT] Outsourcing squared

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Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mon, 22 May 2006 20:07:25 GMT, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello Keith,


When hiring I found that the school people went to was not a very
important factor. To the point where I sometimes didn't even look that
far down the resume to compile my short list.

That depends on the company. Large companies tend to have a
"favorites" list. If your school isn't on that list you might just
as well not apply. ...


That just might be the reason why the bulk of truly innovative designs
orginates at smaller and mid-sized companies :-)

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Joerg, What a pile of nonsense. Smaller companies tend to move more
quickly _usually_ due to less bureaucracy.

I don't know of any companies with "favorites" lists, though at one
point in my management career I did put ASU on a do-not-interview
list, for good reason ;-)

I've never heard of "only hire from here" list, but lots of large companies
only recruit at a very select group of universities.

Ok, let me assume you're not stupid for a moment...

Assume &large_company. Now assume &large_company.human_resources.
Given the above, how does one get hired without an interview?

One doesn't get hired without an interview - but being recruited through
your university is only one way of getting an interview, if the most common
for new college graduates. People get interviews by answering help wanted
ads, recommendations from existing employees, just submitting applications
on the company website (yes, this does actually work), recommendations from
university professors, etc.

One doesn't even get past HR without a serious recommendation. For
anyone (ok, 99-44/100%) just graduating this means the campus
interview. Without that, forget it. The resume gets filed
(canned) on submission.

I knew numerous employees (~25%) that were hired out of college and didn't
attend one of the recruiting schools at my former employer. It was certainly
more difficult, but far from impossible.

I've known one or two, but they came in by other means (usually
already employees). There is no active recruitment of anyone other
than locals or from the big colleges. Certainly some leak in by
other means. Sending a resume is a waste of bits (paper no longer
accepted).

This is a fact of life, whether you want to admit it or not. The
list *DOES* exist, and has for the >30 years I've been around. I
was hired because UIUC was on (top) of the list and because I did
four years as a technician in college (paying my own way and
managing it all while being married helped a small amount too).

I worked at one of the giants in the industry (~80k employees) and

Ah, a small company. ;-)

Tiny.

Ok, not small, just another wannabe... ;-)

constantly worked with people educated at a myriad of universities. The
majority were what you'd expect, but there was a large contingent of people
educated at some pretty off the wall places.

Either you're a local (they like locals because they're easy bait)
or you're from a big school (on the "list"). There really isn't
much else. We did have a serious loser from Clemson, but that one
of the few times when management thought that any port in the storm
was a good idea.

There is a lot else: foreigners on h1b's, locals, interns from non-list
universities, etc.

H1Bs are temps; not counted. Locals are hired and often sneak
around HR by getting degrees after being hired. HR also likes
locals because they're cheap. Interns *do* come from the "list" or
locals.


A funny thing - my former employer had a set list of places they recruited
for permananet employees, but an apparently much larger list of places from
which they would hire interns. Their stated desire to turn 85% of all
interns into permanent employess then often led to people outside their
"recruiting schools" list to be hired.

Maybe. One of the kidz (five years) is from Rutgers (go figure).
....but he's a local too.

--
Keith
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