Re: OT : so this is what our troops are dying for in Afghanistan !

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:51:08 +0100, Eeyore
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John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:28:23 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Jim Thompson wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:03:26 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 17 Aug 2006 16:55:03 +0200, David Brown
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Jim Thompson wrote:
On 17 Aug 2006 13:19:19 +0200, David Brown
<david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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All things in moderation - that's all I'm really saying. Profits are
fine - "excessive" profits are not.

Who gets to decide the definition of "excessive"?

Authorities answerable to the people (i.e., someone voted into office),
I suppose. Lines are never easy to draw, and I don't have any good
ideas what the should be. But that doesn't mean there should be no
lines at all.

As you have said, economies that
are not capitalist based are not nearly as successful or happy for their
people (although they can as good or better in some ways - compare
Cuba's health system with the USA's).
[snip]

You spend too much time reading questionable media sources, rather
than having ANY first-hand knowledge.

Wonder why it is that every Cuban that can manage escapes to Florida?
It's not wealthy people, it's the poor.

Since when does health care equate to quality of life? It's part of it,
to be sure, but I was (as I said) only picking a single example. The
average health care in America is of similar standard to that in Cuba,
despite costing around 20 times as much

But we pay our doctors and nurses at least 20x as much. Hell, we pay
everybody 20x as much.

John

But John, You REALLY do appreciate that EVERYTHING outside of the US
is better ;-)

Barf!

The only major problem with US healthcare is the damn *cost* of it !

Hey Jim, how do can anyone defend US practice in restricting imported drugs
cheaper than available on your home market even say just from over the border in
Canada ? As in it's the same product in likely the same packaging.You're so free
aren't you ??? :-p

Drugs are like software: they cost billions to develop and very little
to produce on an incremental basis. But if the development costs
aren't repaid, no drugs will get developed.

No argument there !


So a drug company may well
charge a lot for a drug in a developed country and sell it a lot
cheaper in a poor country (or, in the case of Canada, make a bulk deal
with a volume buyer.) That is the best deal for everyone, isn't it?

Not when the country next door is paying a fraction of what you pay. You Americans
are being taken to the proverbial cleaners.


We are paying to develop drugs that benefit the whole world, including
poor people who can't afford to pay much. That sounds awfully nice to
me.


But you can't allow the cheap drugs to be re-imported to the country
of origin, or the whole thing collapses.

I'm surprised that I have to explain stuff like this.

You are ???

" re-imported to the country of origin " ??? What kind of nonsense is this ? It's
actually cheaper to send something abroad and bring it back ? This is the economics
of the madhouse !

I'm surprised people don't understand simple stuff like this.


It's nothing short of Government sanctioned fraud IMHO. Whatever happened to free
trade ?

Wanna discuss the way gray-market electronics is handled in Europe?

John

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