Re: Copper theft


John Larkin wrote:
On 21 Sep 2006 03:52:57 -0700, bill.sloman@xxxxxxxx wrote:


John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:12:53 +0200, martin griffith
<mart_in_medina@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 21:35:21 GMT, in sci.electronics.design "Michael
A. Terrell" <mike.terrell@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

martin griffith wrote:

At least the Yanks originally left/escaped europe to set up their own
immaculate system of government.


Thank God they made the effort, too.

True. But it does seem that the US system has passed it "sell by date"
with its terminally damaged consitution and maybe the EU can learn
from the failure of the USsystem ( unlikely)...

<sigh, bury head in bucket of sand>



But the USA is doing fine. Europe and Japan are facing economic and
demographic time bombs.

The European and Japanese populations are stable and would start
shrinking in a few years, if it were for the contributions of the
immigrants, whi still breed as if their secuirty in old age was
dependent on their kids rathr than the national social secuirty system.

There is virtually no immigration into Japan.

So where do they get all the Korean's that they don't want to see
marrying their kids?

The U.S. hasn't hit the demographic watershed yet - perhaps because the
social security system isn't too impressive - and its population is
still ballooning, which is a demographic time bomb.

SS works fine. I could retire in a few years at about $2800 a month,
and my wife could follow a few years later at about the same rate.
Medical care would be dirt cheap. We'd be just as comfortable as we
are now, only bored.

So it works fine for you. The wet-backs who are fuelling your
population explosion won't do as well.

The US-born population has a brats-per-woman rate
of about 1.8, and the population is growing mainly through
immigration. No time bomb there. A rate of 1.2 is a much more severe
slope to ride down.

Ignoring the non-US-born population isn't sensible. And it takes a long
time for changes in the number of kids per female to show a significant
effect on the size of the population - the problem is pretty much
adapting to a gradually ageing population, which mainly means keeping
people at work after their 65th birthday.

And the U.S. uses twice as much oil per head as the Europeans, which is
an economic time bomb.

Try taking your head out of the sand - we've all got quite a few
problems coming up, and God's only country probably isn't going to be
able to sit them out.

I think the US will do fine, as it is, and has been, pretty resilient
in adapting to circumstances. Europe will certainly survive as europe,
but I think the stresses will be a bit worse, due to the severe drop
in native birth rates and an unfamiliarty with massive immigration,
which is going to happen.

There has already been quite massive immigration into Europe - ever
heard of "guest workers"? It does produce social tensions and
occasional problems, but U.S.-style race riots are very few and far
between.

California has no racial majority, and a third of its residents were
born outside the USA, and it works great; we're all Americans here.

Tell that to the residents of Watts.

I think you are under-estimating the effects that rising oil prices are
going to have on the way your society works. You are much more
car-dependent than Europe, and a great deal of your housing stock is
going to be effectively useless when the price of petrol/gasoline makes
car=based commuting uneconomic.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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