Re: not a new subject - women in electronics and computing?

fractal.curves@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
Nobody said "call them both engineers". I said that in terms of the end
result, it doesn't matter who built the bridge as long as it was built.
So, women shouldn't feel that being an engineer is the only way to get
a bridge built. That way, they can be honest about what they'd rather
be - the engineer, or a puller of strings. Just ask that woman who had
the Taj Mahal built for her. It was built by an architect, but no one
remembers *his* name. Just her, heh. The irony.

Ooops...my sincerest apologies.

I also read some of your other posts and realized that we essentially
share the same views on this issue. Each person should do what s/he
has a natural proclivity to do, and not what someone else expects
him/her to do, just because that someone else feels that there should
be more people of said type doing it, which you pointed out so
eloquently with your analogy.

On the same subject, it might appear to some others reading my post
2-levels-up that I am sexist or misogynist. I am neither. In fact, I
feel sorry for women. I know many women who would be considered
"successful" by traditional male standards. They have money, fancy
cars, and huge (empty) homes. I know that this is not what they want
in their hearts. For many of them, the smallest thoughtful gesture, or
worse, and blatant oversight, will put them off balance. In the end,
after all the feminist hype and experimentation with sexual
redefinition, when you're on your death bed, the only thing that really
matter is whether you experienced in life what *you* wanted. It seems
to me that many American women are traveling down a Road of Regret.

This "experimentation" is not without cost. I think the feminists
should think about the stress it causes when they expect people (women)
to do things they do not have a natural proclivity to do. The fact
that Shaquille O'neal is a part-time policeman is a living lesson in
social-order: he obviously doesn't need to be Sheriff for the money.
He certainly doesn't have to do much to intimidate people. He chose to
do that because he naturally feels that that is where he belongs. It
actually stresses him out *less* to have two roles.

And with regard to women, this stress shows in so many ways. When I am
on the aeroplane traveling between France and the US, I can always tell
if a female sitting in the seat in front of me is French or American by
her hair. French women tend to have hair that is thicker, fuller, show
fewer indications of stress. American women tend to have hair that is
frizzy, with many split ends, showing signs of unending abuse. They
are often significantly more overweight than French women. Even the
shape, in general is different. American women might have better teeth
- I am not sure why that is the case.

I think the stress has to do with the disparity in roles they play.
When I am in the USA, I share the responsibilty of prearing the table,
serving meals, etc. When I am in France, I might make the fire, and
perhaps cook a bit of the meat, but the actual food preparation is
always done by the women. Not only do they not complain, but if I
wanted to help, it would be awkward. What is also strange is that they
like it, and they like to watch the men eat!

But perhaps that is one of the benefits of socialism. If what I am
saying is true, that women, in general, like to focus on caring for her
family, then socialism would benefit them more. I am not certain, but
i had a bit of evidence not long ago while having heated discussions on
the patio at my friends's (male and female) house in Montferrier sur
Lez. We discussed many topics - chemistry, aircraft, politics, war,
the growing Muslim population in France. We yelled at eat other. Many
of the women were non- or moderately-participative. When the subject
came to socialism, and I, being a capatalist, started to criticize
socialism as responsible for high unemployment, the women stopped
everything and attacked me vigorously. They did have an opionion,
especially on things that mattered to them.

It was only later that I made the connection that socialism promotes an
environment that is far more hospitable to women than does capitalism,
*if* your primary concern is to take care of your family and not be
rich, powerful, etc.

-Le Chaud Lapin-

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