Re: OT: Global Warming Again?

On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 07:46:05 -0700, Jim Thompson
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On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 03:48:05 GMT, Jonathan Kirwan
<jkirwan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 16:41:49 -0700, Jim Thompson
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On Mon, 4 Dec 2006 23:24:58 +0000 (UTC), don@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

[snip]

How is that average temperature measured?

Surface level air temperature at weather stations and buoys for most of
the data. www.noaa.gov won't come up at this moment, but they do explain
that little of the world is too far from a measurement point to
reasonably construct an average surface level atmosphere temperature.

Presumably the methodology is similar to that used in 1980.

- Don Klipstein (don@xxxxxxxxx)

Don, Doesn't the engineer in you fret over such conclusions?

[snip]
You may ask questions, Jim, but you
really don't believe anything anyone here says that disagrees with
your already-held-without-specific-knowledge opinions.
[snip]

The only opinion I'm holding is that it is unproven, either direction.

And the political CRAP, adjusting the verbiage to "climate change" ;-)

It will never be 'proven.' Science is always tentative. Not even QM
is proven. We've just failed to find the disproof, as yet.

More, this isn't an issue we can wait until it is at the level of
knowledge and test we have for QM. That's because we only have one
planet to play with. No way to set up controls or repeat experiments.
So you will simply have to accept that the standards must be
appropriate to the situation -- or else remain unsatisfied.

Regardless, I think your interest in how the measurements are made is
worth investigating. I know from experience here that you are very
unlikely to accept anyone else's opinion on this, even if it is an
informed one. (The evidence of this is manifest, as you don't accept
the opinions of those who actually are well trained scientists in this
field. So that pretty much excludes the better informed people.) So
you will have to do your own work and form your own opinion, if it is
to be an informed one.

Of course, you can always hold onto an ignorant one. But that's not
really worth anything much. I'm sure you are well aware of that.

And hunches and feelings don't cut any mustard. Humans are replete
with such failed "common sense" about the world around them. From
incorrect ideas about sinking and floating, unmoving earth, etc. Only
careful science methods work around these limitations. As I'm sure
you are aware. This isn't about financial systems, stocks and
securities, politics, etc. It's science. And for that, hunches are
shown notoriously wrong.

There is only two paths I see for you. Inform yourself and you will
see. Or don't, and you won't.

Jon
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