Re: *** Dr G Polya BRILLIANTLY analyses the Virgina Shooting Incident ***

On Apr 29, 9:55 am, "n...@xxxxxxx" <Alien8...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Apr 28, 10:43 pm, bill.slo...@xxxxxxxx wrote:





On Apr 26, 2:37 am, "n...@xxxxxxx" <Alien8...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Apr 22, 11:32 am, therm...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

Dr Gideon Polya published some 130 works in a 4 decade scientific
career, most recently a huge pharmacological reference text
"Biochemical Targets of Plant Bioactive Compounds" (Taylor & Francis,
New York & London, 2003), and is currently editing a completed book on

One wonders how many of those compounds he sampled, and how often.

global avoidable mortality (numerous articles on this matter can be
found by a simple Google search for "Gideon Polya" and on his
websites:

Here is the BRILLIANT AND INCISIVE ANALYSIS:

"Brilliant and incisive"? Reads like hate speech to me.

That is a problem with some Americans - they can't read an analysis of
America's less attractive imperial behaviours without experiencing it
as a personal attack. The American educational system does seem to
work hard at instilling this sort of attitude during the early stages
of primary education.

I already know you hate the US, you don't have to remind me. Polya
obviously does too.

You already *think* that I hate the US. You happen to be wrong, but
are too brainwashed to understand why you find yourself forced into
this "shoot the messenger" error. Dr.Polya is obviously critical about
some aspects of current US foreigh policy, as are many patriotic
Americans, but isn't actually evidence that he hates the US.

Astounding how many dearly love to hate on America, considering
we've been mostly leading the way out of racism and other ills
infesting the rest of the world.

Not as often as you'd like to think. Great Britain freed its slaves in
1807 and worked hard at suppressing the slave trade long before the
USA got around to tackling the problem.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/david_aaronovitch...

And was roundly ragged for it at the time. Yet England still gets a
new crop of bottom-of-the-social-ladder "niggers" every time another
country sends a new wave of immigrants. Used to be the Pakistanis up
until recently, who is it now? I can't keep track.

I haven't lived there since 1993, so I can't help you. When I did live
there, neither skin colour or religion had much effect on people's
social status. Education, employment and income were much more
important. One of the best engineers I worked with came from Ethiopia,
and I never heard anybody talk about him with anything but respect.

BTW I notice you fail to mention that Aaronovitch uses the
exportation of "enlightened" thinking to basically justify the
invasion of Iraq...

Quite a few people did. The fact none of the hoped-for enlightenment
ever made to Irak shows that this was quite as fallacious as the
justification based on the hypothetical weapons of mass destruction.

Where's his "brilliant and incisive" analysis of American cultural
imperialism as embodied in our trying to give free inoculations to 3rd
worlders?

Or his analysis of the US pharmacutical industry's struggle to keep
the price of anti-AIDs medicines high enough to make sure that AIDs
sufferers in third world countries couldn't afford them?

I meant TB etc. inoculations, and what part of "free" can't you
read?

You can't even get rid of TB within your own borders.

As for your accusation about AIDS vaccines, when's wonderful
Socialist Europe going to step in and fill the gap? Oh, right, it
isn't.

The EU is constrained by its desire not to get into any kind of trade
war with the US, but it is trying to get the US to join in an
international agreement to let third world countries make their own
anti-AIDs medicines (not vaccines - none of those tried so far seems
to work).

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0HSW/is_2001_March_30/ai_74700225

How about his "brilliant and incisive" analysis of our putting
toxins in exported food products so they read higher in protein than
they really are? Oh, wait, that was China.

As opposed to smuggling genetically modified agricultural products
into Europe, where they are illegal.

Fine, starve to death. Bothers me not at all.

Europe, like the US, finds it politically convenient to subsidise
agricultural over-production. Europe produces quite a lot more food
than it needs without planting genetically modified crops. Mine own
point of view is that all the crops we grow are genetically modified,
and the European ban is pretty much superstition, but it is a
democratically supported superstition.

http://countercurrents.org/polya230407.htm<------

Dr Polya, we are incredibly proud of you. God Bless you for your
courage.

"Courage"? Just another hater.

One ought to be able to criticise specific aspects of US foreign and
domestic policy without being dismissed as a "hater". America may be
God's own country, but the God involved is just as capable of stupid
design as the one invented by the "intelligent design" creationists.

For what must be the thousandth time I've said this here in SED, I'm
an atheist. Do try to keep up. Notice the OP begs his deity for help,
not me.

I'm an agnostic - no god has told me that he doesn't exist - and I
feel free to be ironic about the influence of God in God's own
country, based as it is on irrational claims by disturbed people.

Polya apparently chooses to criticize _everything_ about America. I
can't find a single positive thing he has to say about it. Can you?

No. But then again, why should he? He's criticising specific
activities, not flattering a US audience,

Also, why do you pretend not to see Polya's use of Soros-sockpuppet
buzzwords, because you're also a Soros sockpuppet?

I've heard of George Soros, and read occasional newspaper articles
about him. He does seem to be on the side of the angels

http://www.soros.org/about/bios/a_soros

but I don't know enough about his ideas to knew whether or not I'd
qualify as one of his sock puppets. I read Paul Kruger and Will
Hutton.

"The past and present US mass murder and genocide is largely un-
reported by lying, racist, genocide-ignoring Mainstream media and
Racist Bush-ite (RB) America (and its lackey Racist White Australia)
are ruled by régimes locked into denial over the seriousness of global
warming."

(which is BTW complete bull***)

Over-stated perhaps, but Chomsky documents a lot of US sponsored mass
murder in South America, and the US-Australian approach to global
warming isn't going to slow it down in a hurry.

"The intransigent pro-Gun, pro-War, pro-Violence Bush-ite American
culture has a prime responsibility for the Blacksburg Massacre
together with lying, racist Mainstream media. Madman Cho pulled the
trigger, but the pro-Gun Lobby, the Racist Religious Right Republican
(R4) Bushites and the pro-Bush Racist Zionists (RZs) are responsible
for a Bush Administration that permits madmen to mass murder at home
and abroad."

(even more bull***)

Dubbya's approach to gun control certinly isn't going to reduce the
chances of another Blacksburg massacre.

I am amazed how he manages to combine "Bush-ite", "Racist", and
"Zionists" under the same umbrella. His invention of acronyms "R4" and
"RZs" is a bit much though, don't you think? Or are they terms we can
expect to see the Soros-sockpuppet brigade spouting from now on?

Probably not. To give Dubbya his due, he probably isn't a racist. His
willingness to sacrifice the poor in judicial executions, as cannon-
fodder in Irak and by cheapskating on public health does kill a
disproportionate number of Afro-Americans, but that doesn't make him a
racist - just a Gadgrind capitalist.

Oh, BTW, are you also going to call me a "Bu***" and/or
Republican? Please do and redisplay your inability to remember who
you're talking to.

You don't seem to be sufficiently enthusiastic about throwing th
rascals out.

Believe it or not, there are aspects of American society that could be
improved.

That sounds so...measured. But the article you're defending starts
with:

"America's history has been a bloody story of sustained racism,
violence and genocide."

So has pretty much everybody elses. I was brought up in Tasmania,
where the last full blooded Tasmanian aboriginal died in 1876.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truganini

Her skeleton was on display in the local museum when I was at scholl
in Launceston.

and ends with:

"The Blacksburg Massacre was enabled because America is awash with
guns, has a power-obsessed, abusive and racist culture and IGNORES the
appalling human consequences of its actions."

Straight up, do you agree with his entirely one-sided hateful views,
or not?

The Blacksburg massacre probably wouldn't have happened if America
wasn't awash with guns. Cho might not have gone mad in the way he did
in a different environment - it is a defensible proposition. It is
entirely one-sided, as you say, but I don't think that you can claim
that it is motivated by, or expresses hatred.

The man is trying to encourage you to reform the faults in your
society, in the style of an old Testament prophet. He loves you so
much that he is trying to save you from yourselves ....

Granting his field of expertise and your national enthusiasm for
conciousness-altering drugs, he'd be putting his energies into very
different activities if he actually did hate you.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen


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