Re: OT: is the AGW bubble about to burst?

In article <46C26978.7CCEB61B@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Eeyore wrote:

Don Klipstein wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
bill.sloman@xxxxxxxx wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Don Klipstein wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

Most sea ice was never on land in the first place. Hence won't ever
affect sea level. Check out the North Pole for example.

Perfectly true and quite irrelevant.

So why is there so green-inspiured much fuss over it ?

1. It is an indicator that there is goobal warming that will do worse
things in the future.

Why do you assume that a warming world has to be 'worse' ? I'm enjoying the
warmer winters in particular and it results in reduced energy use too.

A warmer world will also have warmer summers. Thankfully, winters
should warm more than summers in most parts of the world that have both
as far as I understand things.

Meanwhile, there is such a thing as people and regions that have a worse
time with summers than with winters.

2. Replacing sea ice with sea increasesabsorption of sunlight, so this
is a positive feedback mechanism for global warming.

The incident angle of sunlight at the poles means that this is a minor
effect.

If one merely neglects atmospheric absorption, incoming radiation at the
poles exceeds peak at the equator about 70-72 days of the year and average
at the equator about 74-75 days of the year. After what the atmosphere
does to incoming solar radiation, I surely expect this to remain being
significant.

3. Loss of Arctic sea ice reduces habitibility of the area in question
for polar bears.

Oh dear. You mean we wiped out N thousand other species and now we're
supposed to get all sentimental over a few less polar bears ?

I did make that last place of 3 points. Meanwhile, the polar bear has
become the "flagship species harmed by global warming".

You are aware of the lies promulgated by Gore et al in this respect I
hope ?

I am aware that Al Gore is a politician more than a scientist. I have
yet to cite anything worth attributing to him.

The only interesting question is when the Antarctic and Greenland ice
caps are going to slide off into the sea.

A trypically deceptove green statement. The phrase suggests that they're
going to disappear.

They have - of course - been sliding off into the sea pretty
much since they formed, but since we started measuring the rate of ice-
transport within the ice-cap the flow rates have increased appreciably
- more than enough to compensate for any increase in snow-fall onto
the tops of the ice pack - see

So where are the figures showing that the ice mass grows too ?

<SNIP>

the 2001 report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) downplayed the issue, forecasting that snow gathering in the
interior of Antarctica and Greenland would offset faster melting around
the edges.

That would change if manmade global warming progresses to an extent
much beyond that of peak global temperatures of the past interglacial
periods.

Such certainty !

How about accepting that humans have barely the tiniest clue about how the
climate works ?

Does that mean range of error being bidirectional, as in there is some
chance that things could get worse than the warmingist projections that
have a lower rate of getting peer-reviewed-shooting-down?

Or are you really sure that only warmingists can be wrong and
antiwarmingists are always correct?
I suspect otherwise if an antiwarmingist says "red noise" replicates the
"hockey stick" from an algorhythm claimed to be reverse-engineered as part
of claim that the algorhythm was not released, and does not also claim
same from "pink noise" and other random noise and from "zero signal", and
does not show work to extent of giving noise algorhythms (including seeds)
to extent confirmable or refutable by others with different algorhythms
and/or "seeds" to produce same-type-noise.
I also suspect otherwise if a big antiwarmingist cites a study that has
bottom-figure-composite global temperature stopping around 1980, since by
enough accounts most global warming from at least as far back as 1910 to
now has occurred after 1980.

- Don Klipstein (don@xxxxxxxxx)
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