Re: Pinch me ! Scientists prove there is no greenhouse effect. IPCC commits hari kiri (I wish)

On Aug 15, 1:22 am, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian <n...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:19:18 -0700,bill.slomanwrote:
On Aug 14, 2:50 am, Rich Grise <r...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:04:13 -0700,bill.slomanwrote:
On Aug 14, 12:24 am, Richard The Dreaded Libertarian
...
Well, if smoking kills 400,000 people a year, what is it that kills the
other 2.5 million?

This proves, using the same "logic" as the antis, that a non-smoker is
over five times as likely to die than a smoker!

Put that in your pipe and smoke it. ;-)

I don't own a pipe. And the "logic" you've invoked is a bad joke. The
statistics backing up the claim that smokers, on average, die younger
than non-smokers aren''t in the least funny, and the logic that
established that they died younger because they smoked is unassailable.

Oh, it's assailable all right - it's just that the studies that proved
that the antis are lying all got buried, probably because they were actual
science, so had too many big words for the juries to understand.

Cite one.

Like I said, they got buried. They're accessible in the medical journals,
but they're terribly expensive. Philip Morris used to have the whole
document collection searchable on their website several years ago, but
apparently it was cancelled due to lack of interest. )-;

The one I really liked was the one that showed such a strong correlation
between the incidence of cancer and certain personality types that the
smoking/nonsmoking correlations were below the noise.

The personality type that causes cancer is "Type A" - rigid, inflexible,
dogmatic, knows he's right; and with a deficit of emotional
outlet/expression.

Basically, cancer is caused by self-hatred. But you can't say that
publically, because that's "blaming the victim". Feh.

Furthermore, it is neither interesting nor useful. Cancer may well
correlate with personality type, but it seems likely that the
mechanism is that personality influences behaviour and behaviour
determines exposure to carcinogens.

Cancer cells have thoroughly aberrant genomes, and - in so far as
susceptibility to cancer is heritable - the problem genes are those
involved in the cellular damage control system. Cigarettes cause lung
cancer via two mechanisms - cigarette smoke itself contains
carcinogens, and other components in cigarette smoke disable the
cleaning system of the lungs, so that carcinogens from other sources
(such as asbestos fibres) get to hang around in the lungs of smokers
for much longer than they do in the lungs of non-smokers.

Smokers do get more cancers than non-smokers in places other than the
lung, but the difference between heavy smokers and non-smokers is much
less - typically about 2:1 - for cancers other than lung cancer.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

.

Relevant Pages
Quantcast