Re: OT: is the AGW bubble about to burst?

Don Klipstein don@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx posted to sci.electronics.design:

In article <46C26978.7CCEB61B@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Eeyore wrote:

Don Klipstein wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
bill.sloman@xxxxxxxx wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Don Klipstein wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

Most sea ice was never on land in the first place. Hence
won't ever
affect sea level. Check out the North Pole for example.

Perfectly true and quite irrelevant.

So why is there so green-inspiured much fuss over it ?

1. It is an indicator that there is goobal warming that will do
worse things in the future.

Why do you assume that a warming world has to be 'worse' ? I'm
enjoying the warmer winters in particular and it results in
reduced energy use too.

A warmer world will also have warmer summers. Thankfully,
winters
should warm more than summers in most parts of the world that have
both as far as I understand things.

Meanwhile, there is such a thing as people and regions that have
a worse
time with summers than with winters.

2. Replacing sea ice with sea increasesabsorption of sunlight,
so this is a positive feedback mechanism for global warming.

The incident angle of sunlight at the poles means that this is a
minor effect.

If one merely neglects atmospheric absorption, incoming
radiation at the
poles exceeds peak at the equator about 70-72 days of the year and
average
at the equator about 74-75 days of the year. After what the
atmosphere does to incoming solar radiation, I surely expect this
to remain being significant.


Gee, neglecting one of the most important factors in evaluating
ground received energy flux does not sound like good science to me.


3. Loss of Arctic sea ice reduces habitibility of the area in
question for polar bears.

Oh dear. You mean we wiped out N thousand other species and now
we're supposed to get all sentimental over a few less polar bears
?

I did make that last place of 3 points. Meanwhile, the polar
bear has
become the "flagship species harmed by global warming".

You are aware of the lies promulgated by Gore et al in this
respect I
hope ?

I am aware that Al Gore is a politician more than a scientist.
I have
yet to cite anything worth attributing to him.

The only interesting question is when the Antarctic and
Greenland ice caps are going to slide off into the sea.

A trypically deceptove green statement. The phrase suggests
that they're going to disappear.

They have - of course - been sliding off into the sea pretty
much since they formed, but since we started measuring the
rate of ice- transport within the ice-cap the flow rates have
increased appreciably - more than enough to compensate for
any increase in snow-fall onto the tops of the ice pack - see

So where are the figures showing that the ice mass grows too ?

<SNIP>

the 2001 report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change
(IPCC) downplayed the issue, forecasting that snow gathering in
the interior of Antarctica and Greenland would offset faster
melting around the edges.

That would change if manmade global warming progresses to an
extent
much beyond that of peak global temperatures of the past
interglacial periods.

Such certainty !

How about accepting that humans have barely the tiniest clue about
how the climate works ?

Does that mean range of error being bidirectional, as in there
is some
chance that things could get worse than the warmingist projections
that have a lower rate of getting peer-reviewed-shooting-down?

Or are you really sure that only warmingists can be wrong and
antiwarmingists are always correct?
I suspect otherwise if an antiwarmingist says "red noise"
replicates the
"hockey stick" from an algorhythm claimed to be reverse-engineered
as part of claim that the algorhythm was not released, and does
not also claim same from "pink noise" and other random noise and
from "zero signal", and does not show work to extent of giving
noise algorhythms (including seeds) to extent confirmable or
refutable by others with different algorhythms and/or "seeds" to
produce same-type-noise.
I also suspect otherwise if a big antiwarmingist cites a study
that has
bottom-figure-composite global temperature stopping around 1980,
since by enough accounts most global warming from at least as far
back as 1910 to now has occurred after 1980.


I actually believe that global warming is occurring, and will
continue for about one to two decades more. What i do not believe
is that human activities have anything to do with it.

- Don Klipstein (don@xxxxxxxxx)

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