Re: OT: getting rid of the medieval warm period

On Sep 11, 6:47 pm, Charlie Edmondson <edmond...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
z wrote:
On Sep 11, 12:04 pm, Charlie Edmondson <edmond...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

Ummmm, no, the giant, wealthy funding source is such places as the NSF,
environmental organizations, but more importantly, it is the high level
faculty and adminstrators at the colleges who get to make the decisions
as to who gets funding and tenure, and who doesn't.

they sure the hell don't. you've got the tail wagging the dog. the
researchers have to scrabble for external grant money; if they don't
get it, the school sure hasn't got the bucks to cover them for more
than a short emergency subsistence period. Tenure is another thing,
but it's got no relevance to the argument that "scientists can't get
funded if they don't believe in AGW"

And I'm still waiting to hear about the giant grants environmental
groups are giving to researchers who believe in AGW.
And for that matter, I'd love to see some actual research from those
'what climate change' "scientists" who are collecting all the 'what
climate change' money. Whatever it is they're being paid for, it isn't
research. And just let me point out beforehand, that counting the
number of published papers state explicitly "i heartily endorse the
notion of AGW" doesn't count as climatology research.

So, Z, I take it you have never worked in academia. Yes, there are a
lot of environmental groups that provide grants, as well as all the
other foundations, public and private, that do so. Most of them are
controlled by folks that want there to be AGW, and they fund researchers
accordingly. And, when that money comes in, it doesn't always, or even
usually, go directly to a single researcher. It usually goes to the
'head researcher' or head of department, who then gets to apportion
those funds to the faculty and staff as he sees fit. These 'head'
positions are typically political, and are often controlled by the
university administration one way or another. So, no, I don't have the
tail wagging the dog, I know where the head is. You are just more
familiar with where the tail is attached... ;-)

Charlie-

Wow, silly me writing all those grant applications to the NSF, when
all I had to do was suck up to the department head. Only... who writes
the grant applications, then, if not the recipient? Somebody spends a
couple of months writing up a document asking that somebody else be
given funding? And if the department head gets to decide who the
grants go to, then how does the grant review board determine whether
the researcher is capable of doing the work suggested? I don't know
where or what your work is, but it sure seems distant from what the
hard science research world in the US is like.

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