Re: Productivity - Norway leads the table.

On Sep 13, 9:20 am, Joerg <notthisjoerg...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
MooseFET wrote:
On Sep 13, 3:41 am, Joerg <notthisjoerg...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

MooseFET wrote:

[....]

Still, you can't mix it all together to gauge the effectiveness of a
country's health system.

I don't see why not.

Ok, I give up explaining it.

You were claiming not explaining.

Not so.

Ok, once more: In order to compare the efficiency of health care systems
you need to compare diseases where the health system has an early
influence.

I think I disagree with this statement. Already but I'll see how you
support it.


Such as cancer. Here you have a clear cut message: How good
is the screening process? How successful is the treatment? Health care
has a great deal of impact here.

If there was no screening at all, people would die of the cancers and
shorten the average life. So whether or not there is good screening
shows up in the average life expecancy.

I guess America is performing rather
well in this league.

So you are guessing.


An example for a not so suitable scenario: Heart attack (a major dent in
our life expectancy). If people eat to much junk food many will suffer
that infamous chest cramp in the wee moring hours. Ambulance gets
called, arrives in minutes but it's already too late. A very common
scenario and there is next to nothing a country's health system can do
to improve that outside educating via TV ads and stuff. IOW health care
does _not_ have a great deal of impact here. Strokes kind of fall into
the same category.

You are assuming that most heart disease kills quickly. This is not
the case. The speed of the ambulance is also part of the health care
system. If you use donkey carts for it, less people make it to the
doctor alive. Also the health care system either pays for an anual
physical or it doesn't. If it does the heart disease or the factors
leading up to it can be detected.

This is one of many reasons why one cannot simply look at a country's
total life expectancy and draw conclusions about quality of health care.

So far you haven't convinced me. You have a guess and a quite weak
argument so far.


Let me just say that I'm involved in clinical studies since a couple of
decades which is why I asserted that.

This is just another claim. You are now claiming to be an expert of
statistics and to have special knowledge.

Not a claim, it's a fact. But you are free not to believe me. It's good
enough if my clients do ;-)

Now I do not claim to be an expert here. What I said is that I do know a
bit or two about how clinical studies are handled and how the patient
pool is selected, and why. I also happened to marry my first contact
into clinical marketing :-)

You are making claims of knowing the subject but you have a guess and
weak argument. You didn't point to a single site. You didn't quote
the figures on anything. I pointed out numbers and evidence that is a
good argument against your claim. You haven't refuted the numbers.



[....]
People were claiming that it was the american diet that made the
difference. That claim is now, I assert disproven.

So you know that the average diet in the US is not making a difference?
Wow, that's quite brazen. To me the average consumption of take-out and
burger joint food is mind boggling.

Go take a look at the site I posted way back up there in the thread.
You will see that in terms of fat consumption, the US does not lead
the world.


--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com


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