Re: OT: Eudora a good alternative to Thunderbird?

Joerg notthisjoergsch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx posted to
sci.electronics.design:

Eric Tappert wrote:

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:23:38 -0700, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


John Larkin wrote:


On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:31:23 GMT, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



John Larkin wrote:



On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:52:01 +0200, David Brown
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Joerg wrote:



Hello Folks,

After the umpteenth freeze where I can't get any email to the
laptop I've had it with Thunderbird. Mozilla was good and a
lot less buggy but it ain't now more, only the huge SeaMonkey
version.

Eudora now says on the site that the no-nagware version (paid)
is no longer being sold. Does this mean Eudora may be going
away?


Eudora are planning on releasing their code as open source - I
don't know how far they've got with the plan, but hopefully it
will still be around as an alternative (I like Thunderbird
myself, and have never had a crash or hang despite pushing it
hard - but it's always good to have a variety available).

Have you any idea what causes your problems with Thunderbird?
My company is pretty much standardised on it, and most people
use it at
work and at home. We use an IMAP server - I have not used it
for POP3 - which may make a difference.


We use it for POP3, many copies, work and home, and it's been
very reliable, as reliable as anything running under Windows can
reasonably be.

I had a bad disk block once, and got the sort of thing Joerg is
seeing. Dell/Maxtor junk. No problems, no crashes since going
HP/Fujitsu/Raid under XP.


It doesn't grind on the disk at all. Just sits there doing
nothing.




One should occasionally do a database cleanup: File, Compact
Folders.


Done that. The inbox is only 64MB, most of that being CAD file
attachments like Gerbers.


You might try shutting Tbird down, then copying (not moving...
right click!) your Tbird PROFILES folder to some dummy
destination, maybe on another drive. If that hangs, you have a bad
disk block or the file system is tied in knots.


Copied that from a backup. No change.

It's installing a new version right now (cause I can't import stuff
into Outlook). Let's see. I believe this is a serious bug, maybe
fixed by now. Several people on the web complained about the same
thing and there was never any definitive answer as to the root
cause. Just maybe and could be. Makes me think nobody really knows.
It also happened a while ago on another machine but that was right
after install so I ditched TB and installed an old Mozilla copy.
Made the problem go away. That might also be an option here if I
can convert the data.



Joerg,

Are you by chance running Mcafee anti-virus?? They released an
upgrade last Friday that seemed to prevent my Thunderbird client
from
receiving from a POP server. Hitting "Get Mail" twice would give
your
exact symptoms (easy enough to do when there is no response the
first
time!). Monday they released another update that fixed the
problem. Both updates required a re-boot of WinXP.


No McAfee on this one, it's Norton but turned off (which didn't
alter the behavior). But this brings up a question: How does one
uninstall all this unwanted "free 90-day" stuff so that it's really
gone, gone, gone? I've had one PC that came with McAfee and it was
like whacking flies. Whenever you thought you killed it all there
one popped up again. Of course they did not provide an uninstall
option and the one built into Windows didn't work.


Outlook still worked, as did Eudora.

Just a thought....


It might very well be that some remnant of such stupid nagware is
still floating around but for a guy without a Ph.D. in computer
science that's hard to sniff out. Also, one day it worked, the next
it quit for good. And I didn't change a thing.

Man, do I long for the days of DOS. CompuServe gave me that nice DOS
email client but unfortunately customized so it could only connect
to them. It had one major advantage over all this newfangled fluff:
It always worked!


Hmmmph, Norton AV "turned off" is not turned off. Norton AV
uninstalled is not removed or really uninstalled. McAfee seems to be
the same way; forceware. No wonder MS likes them.

.

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