Re: OT: Even the greens don't like the warmingsts!

On Jan 3, 10:53 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Martin Brown wrote:
On Jan 2, 6:00 pm, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian <r...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
  "U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed
   Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007"

Only 400 and mostly known shills and a few real scientists
deliberately quoted out of conetext.

  "Senate Report Debunks "Consensus""

Plenty of pathological liars in the current US admistration. Find any
Iraqi WMD recently?

This will probably wrap:http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&Cont...

And if you check their credentials most are shills for the oil and
coal industry or on the ultra right or extreme left of the political
spectrum.

Ah right. Deny the other guy's opinion simply by slurring them.

Sorry, not acceptable.

OK lets be specific on one of the UK guys I recognise -

Some of the "signatories" to that document may have said or written
something which when isolated and taken completely out of context
appears to deny AGW even when that is nothing like their stated
position. It is amazing they can only find 400 out of the entire
world.

I would for a start rule out as credible anyone that has previous
for testifying that tobacco smoke is harmless. That culls a fair few.
(or do you believe that they were expressing a valid scientific
opinion)

The list you have posted includes a lot of the usual suspects from
the
coal industry and coal mining regions - some with obvious previous
for
denial. I recognise Dr. Richard Courtney, a self styled UK-based
climate and atmospheric science consultant and former technical
editor
of CoalTrans International. He is a coal industry spokesman and
lobbyist. Not hard to spot the bias there is it? I am sure a quick
background check on several of the others would reveal similar
skeletons in their cupboards, but he was the first one I spotted.

He even has his own node on deSmog so he is indeed infamous as a
denier for hire.
http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1095

My own position is that the science is now very clear. AGW is
happening. What we do about it is another matter. I suspect we will
do
nothing and that the next generation will pay the price.

Basically all the usual suspects peddling a pack of lies.
Business as usual.

What's the difference betwen that and Gore's ridiculous pack of lies ?

Al Gore overstates his case. I am no fan of his. But the scientific
evidence is now clear that we are affecting the climate. What we do
about it is another matter entirely. I suspect we will do nothing - at
least nothing effective.

Why are Gore's views accepted by the likes of yourself  even though his own carbon footprint is the
size of a stadium ?

They are not. I am a scientist. I don't go for US style leadership.
Gore is a hypocrite. As I recall he uses 20x more power than the
average US citizen and until he was caught out last year hadn't even
changed to a notionally "green" power provider. I don't find the US
style of "don't do as I do, do as I say" leadership particularly
convincing. YMMV

Regards,
Martin Brown
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