Re: breadboarding fast, tiny stuff

On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 07:40:44 -0800, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

JosephKK wrote:
On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 16:53:59 -0800, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

JosephKK wrote:
On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:22:26 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sun, 02 Mar 2008 05:02:18 GMT, JosephKK <quiettechblue@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:58:28 GMT, JosephKK <quiettechblue@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
We got some samples of an NEC hj fet and were wondering what its
time-domain response might be like. The part is only 2x2 mm and the
leads are 1.2 mm pitch, and I hadn't previously had a lot of luck
breadboarding stuff like this.

We found two tricks:

Get a piece of copperclad, epoxy-glass or preferably teflon; the
teflon is easier to cut. Cut out "pads" with a very sharp xacto knife,
under a Mantis magnifier. This will make horrible burrs and shorts, so
the first trick is to scrub it really hard with a Scotchbrite pad
between cuts. This cleans it up beautifully.

The second trick is to use small patches of kapton tape as insulators.
like where parts join or whatever. Soldering doesn't bother it at all.

ftp://66.117.156.8/FetTest.zip

Here, the fet is in a first-pass test circuit, just to see how fast we
can turn it on and off. The TDR pulse from the sampling head is the
gate drive, 0 (Idss) to -0.5 (pretty much off) at 50 ohms source z.

The drain is pulled up through a 47 ohm resistor, and the 150 ohm
resistor off to the side is an "attenuator" into the other scope
channel. The turnon fall is very clean, no nasty ringing or whatever,
with a 190 ps fall time. Turnoff is similar; these things don't store
charge! The TDR of the gate (lower trace) indicates that the gate
capacitance is loading the drive, so we need a bigger gate swing, from
a lower source impedance, to make this thing switch really fast. That
will be next.

John

Hell, you have a webpage to work with post gif's not zip's.
I'm offering free data and advice, and you're whining about the price.

And it's not a web page, it's an FTP site.

And my camera makes jpeg's, not gif's.


Did I leave anything out?

John

My complaint was not about the price but the usability. I can use jpeg
and svg and png as well. Zips are problematic. Maybe a pdf or a tgz?
You can't unzip files? I zip a lot of stuff, because a lot of my
customers have firewalls that don't let any interesting stuff in.
Sometimes I have to send files to their gmail accounts, or zip it and
rename it to .txt!

John

The actual issue is a hosed client the mishandles zips.

The zip format is widely used in industry. How else would you beam photo
plotter files back and forth where a set easily consist of a dozen or
more individual files?

Lets see, tgz, bz, tar, and lha come to mind promptly.


C'mon, get real. I've got a lot of clients yet the number of clients I
am aware of using Linux on they work PCs is zero. Those are exotic
formats and I bet most of my client's engineers would not even recognize
them, let alone be able to open them.

lha is a PC format, sit is a Mac and PC format and most tools open all
of them.

.

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