Re: OT Gas Prices and the Blame Game

In article <ch5v24ltltv81mejk2d9v22gq5hr7ckjf2@xxxxxxx>, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Sat, 17 May 2008 19:34:00 -0700 (PDT), mpm <mpmillard@xxxxxxx>
wrote:

I personally think the damage will get here long before the water
does.

Agreed. More damage will probably be done by the various "solutions"
to global warming than the effects of global warming.

For example: If 5 or 10 years from now the global climate models
prove to be even remotely accurate, then people will panic. I don't
think it will make any difference if the models say 10 feet in 20
years, and we only get 3 feet. The trend will be clear, and our
economic (and other) systems will collapse. (And in all liklihood,
the models will get even better by then..)

You might find this interesting:
"Sea level rise calculator"
<http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/sea_level_calc.html>
I couldn't find anything wrong with the logic or the calculator, but I
may have missed something.

The calculator appears to me to only melt ice with a stated percentage
of the amount of heat added to that stored in the atmosphere by raising
the atmosphere's temperature by a stated amount.
I consider this faulty logic. One way to explain that: Suppose the
atmosphere's temperature took a sudden big jump to a level sufficient to
melt the icecaps and then quickly levels off. The icecaps will melt over
the following decades/centuries/whatever with the amount of heat stored in
the atmosphere being constant - the melting will be done from solar
absorption exceeding the planet's radiation into space until the surface
gets warm enough to have radiation to space equal solar absorption.

That calculator said a 66 degree C rise in the atmosphere's temperature
will only raise sea level by .1 meter. I would think that a 66 degree C
warming would totally melt the icecaps, which would raise sea level a heck
of a lot more than .1 meter.

- Don Klipstein (don@xxxxxxxxx)
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