Re: Politicians and energy policy

On May 25, 11:07 pm, krw <k...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On May 25, 5:40 pm, krw <k...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article <ca352170-fa92-453f-9c8d-44ac81322685
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On May 24, 11:12 pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
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The bottom line is that even leaky houses don't leak
unless something is pushing the air.

Hot, wet winds are enough. Unless you want to calk every door and
window shut, there WILL be ingresion of humid air. If you seal it up
that tight, the humidity will rise from human breath, and sweat. If you
think 90 is bad, smpend some time down here after ahurricane when it's
over 100 degrees, with no electricity.

You forgot to mension temperature cycling. In Florida, a very air
tight house would still pump its self full of water in a few weeks
from that. All of the wall spaces etc will be full of humid air in
fairly short order after the house is built.

The idea of using a "smart" electric meter to achieve the same power
reducing effect as rolling blackouts is bogus.

Only if you don't understand how it works. I live alone right now.
The water heater comes on after midnight for about 1.5 hours, and gives
me usable hot water for the full 24 hour day.

Some places they are talking about having the utility send signals
around that tells the optional loads like water heaters to come on and
off with a finer grain than just a fixed time. This allows the load
to be made much more level.

That's what we were discussing (networked power meters that
controlled appliances in the house).

Oh. I thought the "smart power meter" was just the ones that varied
the rate depending on time of day.

I know it was already mensioned but a low tech version was in use for
many years. Many areas may still have some of the wiring for the
"flat rate water heaters". It seems like that would be a good idea to
bring back.

No wiring needed anymore. RF or carrier current signaling are all
that's needed. I'm undecided about the merits. What's the cost
differential (i.e. make it an option)?

--
Keith

All the plans I have seen have a ***ZERO*** cost differential. Some
10 years ago, I was offered to have the power company install a
similar device on my hot water heater for free. But it did nothing
for me, so I declined. Other than the governor I mentioned in my
first post, I have not heard anyone talking about a lower rate in any
way, shape or form.

Even if they do lower the rate a bit for the off peak usage, how much
will they raise the peak rate??? I was in a house where the water
service changed their pricing to save consumers money if they
conserved water, in essence a reversed sliding scale, higher rates
with higher usage. It worked so well that they were bringing in less
money and had to raise the rates for everyone!!! I swear this is the
gosh honest truth. I was in college at the time and it was not a good
thing since none of us had much disposable income.

Even if we save the construction of a few power plants, the power
company will always be raising rates. Near here in Baltimore they
deregulated electric and the rates doubled!!! The whole idea of
deregulation was to save consumers money. Instead it just allowed the
utilities to make *more* money! But that is a whole 'nother story and
we won't talk about that.

Rick
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