Re: OT : Arctic Ice returns



Joerg wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Joerg wrote:

What I do not believe is that global warming, should it exist, is to a
large extent caused by man. I don't denounce that it can theoretically
be but I have not seen compelling evidence.

Likewise.

And I'm not anti taking INTELLIGENT precautionary measures because a lot of them
are good ideas anyway. Simply using alleged AGW as an excuse for new taxes that
fund wasteful 'feelgood' sideshows and restrict human freedoms is simply
unacceptable.

The single most intelligent precautionary measure I can think of is improving
insulation in dwellings. It will reduce the demand for energy (prevention rather
than 'cure') is very inexpensive and people will be better off through lower
fuel bills. How can you possibly better that. Yet do you ever hear this ? No
it's all about subsidies for solar PV and wind turbines. Jesus Holy Christ !

Jesus doesn't have anything to do with PV :-)

If CO2 is supposedly the big culprit I do not understand why AGW folks
keep on heating their homes with natural gas (the European ones I know
almost all do and in the US there aren't many warmingists ...). Heating
is the single most significant contributor to CO2. We completely
switched to wood which is CO2 neutral.

I now have a small wood stove too.


Very few of the warmingists I
talked with did that. IIRC it was only one. I don't have too much
respect for people who talk up a storm but then do not put their deeds
where their mouth is. Such as Al Gore. As far a I am concerned, simply
writing a check doesn't cut it.

AFAICS carbon credits are simply a way of avoiding the issue by muddying the waters.


Spend those huge subsidies on installing insulation instead. Heck, give
insulation away for free. I doubt it would cost any more than all the other
boondoggles going on.

However, one has to see that wall insulation ain't all.

Yes, you need roof /attic / loft insulation too. The recommended thickness here now
for that is 12" of fibreglass wool.


You have to include windows. Replacing with dual pane for the whole house can easily

cost north of $30k. Not everybody can do that and it must make economic
sense.

Interesting fact I discovered recently. The heating savings of double glazing are
quite low and very poor compared to the cost. It's traditionally been massively
over-sold on presumptions of performance that are a fiction. Nice to avoid
condensation on the windows in cold weather though.

The Victorian sliding sash windows in my place are very difficult (and insanely
expensive) to replace with double glazed equivalents so instead I got new sashes with
6mm laminated glass. That's pretty effective in its own right and virtually burglar
proof into the bargain.

And fwiw, you can get double glazed windows here for a tiny fraction of the costs you
imply as long as you avoid the high-overhead, TV advertised, national companies.


And then there is information like in the link John Larkin had posted (it
became a bit quiet after that):

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/02/a_tale_of_two_thermometers/

When I posted a link about archeological efforts in Greenland that dug
up settler's tools and clothes from areas that are now in complete
permafrost nobody answered either.

The AGW religionists hate good evidence that totally blows their case apart.

To be fair, not in general. But I did find a surprising number who brush
away counter-arguments with expressions such as "that's baloney". Then I
quit discussing, makes no sense.

Yes. There's none so blind as those who don't want to see.

Graham

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