Re: Attorney generals trying to shut down usenet?

On Jun 15, 8:25 pm, James Arthur <bogusabd...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
MooseFET wrote:
On Jun 15, 10:17 am, James Arthur <bogusabd...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
MooseFET wrote:
On Jun 14, 8:04 pm, James Arthur <bogusabd...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
JeffM wrote:
JeffM wrote:
The USA is doomed. Stupidity has taken over.
Jim Thompson wrote:
Leftist weenies :-(
Don't be disingenuous.
You know full well it's the Bible-thumpers on your side of the aisle
that are pushing this crap.
Really? It's my impression conservative religious-types usually just
control their kids, and that it's the Democrats who generally think
their government should do it for them.
Your impression is wrong. Conservative religious-types want to
control everyone and force them to comply with the rules laid down by
them.
As I think about the various controversial issues, ISTM that the
conservative-types who are Republicans want, generally, simply to be
left alone, whereas their Democratic counterparts advance schemes
requiring / mandating universal participation in matters they disapprove of.

It may seem that way to you but that isn't the way it really is. I
assume that you are a conservative and therefor agree with the many
ways that they are meddling with your life.

No, I am not and do not. I simply don't notice any impact.


Maybe you really are and just don't know it. You may even be a Neocon
and not actually be aware of it.

A quick test is to see if you realize that both "Fox News" and Rush
Limbaugh are oxymorons. If you don't see why that is true, you just
might be a Neocon.

I think I could make a nice Foxworthesk list of "You might be a
Neocon" jokes if I worked at it. :)



It is conservatives that are for ever trying to put laws about what
goes on in peoples bedrooms onto the books. They are the ones trying
to force their religious views onto others.

Agreed, and that offends me, but that's only a few, not the many.

There are *way* too many.


Are you aware, for example, that putting the words "under god" into
the pledge turned it into an oath and thus made saying it a sin in the
eyes of many?

It's a sin in my eyes because it violates separation of church and state.

The Jehovah's Witnesses are among those who see it from the side of
letting the state get into religion.


For example, the anti-evolution people just don't want evolution taught
to their kids

They also try to prevent all the others from learning about evolution
or they use the new ridiculous line of "teach the controversy" to
suggest that the opinions of a few loons should be given equal weight
to that of the great bulk of the scientific community.

That problem arises because they're compelled to send their kids to
government schools.

In most states, they are only required to pay for the schools not to
use them. They are free to send their kids to private schools. Most
states also allow home schooling.

The root of the problem is not that they are required to send their
kids anywhere. Basically the root of the problem is that they are
loony.


(in the schools they're compelled to attend), versus, say,
the desire to hand out free condoms, clean needles and birth control to
high schoolers.

The latter, though well-intended,

... and a very effective way to keep the birth rate, the disease rate
and even the rate of having sex lower.

It doesn't matter if it's effective. People have a right to
teach their kids their particular value systems, which might
include not teaching certain things at all.

Yes but they have no right to control what happens in a public
school. They can do like my muslim friend and send their kids to
their own school if they want to keep them ignorant of some things.
In the case of my friend it was the depiction of people that was part
of the issue. To them all pictures of living things are a sin.


It may come as a shock to you but the "abstinence only education" is
about as effective at reducing the rates of having sex as the movie
"reefer madness" was at reducing the rate of drug use. The city I
live in has an "abstinence only" sex education program, which like all
the others I've heard of is considered "just a pack of lies told by
the old folks" by the students. They know they are being lied to on
some of it so they figure it is all lies and instead believe the
stories that pass around through high schools everywhere.

I don't know why schools are involved in this. It's a
parent's job, not the schools'. Schools should first master
their own business: teaching math and reading and such.

Sex and how to balance a check book come under the "and such".


In my time we learned the basics in health class, to the extent it
was a health concern, and concerned parents' kids could opt out.
None did.

I think the opt out idea is fine, so long as the class is still taught
for those who don't.

(Of course my parents got me a book when I was 5 explaining the
whole business. I read it, I understood it, I just couldn't imagine
why on earth anyone would want to do that!)

I was quite a bit older when the "birds and the bees" talk was had.
If I had to put a number on it, 9 or 10 would be about where I'd
guess. I didn't interrupt with corrections.



I can remember the things that were thought to be facts by many in my
high school class. Most of them were merely nonsense but some where
dangerous nonsense.

are patronizing, intrusive and
insensitive to those whose sensibilities make them repugnant. Sort of
like asking a Yana indian his name (a private matter, and an indecent
query of ultimate indiscretion). Different cultures.

With a few notable exceptions, it's mostly the Democrats whose vision
these days seems to require dictating priorities to others, imposing
restraints, codes of behavior, controlling wages, prices, retirement,
etc., etc.

That of course is complete nonsense. It is the republicans that are
dictating insane priorities these days and it was the republicans that
did so in the past. Remember it was Nixon that did wage and price
controls etc etc.

I understand that's your impression. Have any current examples of how
your personal liberties have been affected?

Yes,

More later. The wife just went by with some "frozen desert product"
as shee called it.




But conservative religious types are comparatively few,

They may be few but they are in control to a degree that far out
weighs their numbers. Look at how McCain had to pander to them to get
the nomination. See how "gay marriage" is used so often to get the
republican base out. The religious extreme faction of the republican
party is the biggest voting block in the base.

not a fair proxy
for Republicans in general, whereas "Liberal" Democrats are many, easily
out-voting the former.

Just a few impressions on a foggy Sunday morn...

Just a few comments on a bright sunny afternoon.

Thanks! I appreciate the exchange.

James Arthur

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