Re: Hurricane Bertha

bill.sloman@xxxxxxxx wrote:
On Jul 17, 2:21 am, Joerg <notthisjoerg...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
bill.slo...@xxxxxxxx wrote:
On Jul 16, 2:32 am, Joerg <notthisjoerg...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
bill.slo...@xxxxxxxx wrote:
On Jul 15, 5:06 am, Joerg <notthisjoerg...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
It's all about the health care available to the poor, who are the
biggest group in every population. The crappy service that the Cuban
poor get is better than the crappy service that the Amercan poor get.
Now tell us how you _personally_ know that. First hand examples, please,
not some article from a leftist news source.
Conversations with friends in that line of business. I made friends
with some clever people when I was at university, and some of them
have done very well.
That does not answer the question.
So what would answer your question to your satisfaction? Do I have to
do volunteer health work in a sufficient number of randomly selected
hospitals?
You need to have experience in this area to make such statements.
Not true. Statistics exists to allow you to get an overview of a large
number of cases.
Statistics? Such as?

No amount of anecdotal evidence of good health care for the indigent
disproves the existence of pocekts of poor health care, and the US
public health statistics are bad enough - for an advanced
industrialised country - to make it clear that there a significant
numbers of people in the US who get really poor health care.
We have a problem with uninsured people but we do not have a problem
with health care. Even the uninsured get proper health care except that
they'll have collection agencies knocking at their door afterwards.

When have you been in the US for an extended period of time? Meaning
having lived here.

Don't be silly. Useful opinions on health care aren't based on
anecdotal evidence - no matter how extensive - but on properly
constructed clinical trials and surveys.The guys who set them up need
the hands-on-experience to be able to construct sensible questions and
to make sense of the data, but once the surveys are done the
conclusions can be interpreted without the kind of local knowledge you
seem to be asking for.


Such surveys are what I asked for.


Check out the Cochran Collaboration

http://www.cochrane.org/


I've used their advanced search to find comparisons with other countries. Nada. Maybe I did it wrong since there is no consensus on search engine phrasing. Care to enlighten me here?


Right-wing web-sites don't tend to publish these statistics - they
think that job-related health insurance is a necessary tool in the
struggle to encourage people to take on under-paid and depressing
jobs. This doesn't invalidate the statistics when they show up on less-
than-right-wing websites.
<snipped more anecdotal non-evidence>
But with atypically good health care.
Not at all. We have to drive one hour to get medical care for big stuff
such as chemo. I know, because I've given rides to cancer patients.
Which doesn't conflict with the statisitcal evidence which shows that
quite a few poor people somewhere in the US aren't getting good health
care.
And where is that statistical evidence? Here I do not mean some local TB
outbreaks but a more thorough _country-wide_ study that includes _all_
procedures.

Why should I bother? You've characterised stuff I did find as coming
from "leftist websites" when they'd looked perfectly apolitical to me,
and you reject the drug-resistant TB stuff - which is a pretty much
perfect example of why the US less-than-comprehensive health care
system is a bad idea - because it doesn't cover everything else.

Do you really think that there is a web-site out there that covers
"all procedures" right across the whole of the USA? What you are
actually saying is that you will reject any evidence that I can find
because it isn't comprehensive enough, with the strong implication
that if I did chance on a total web-site you'd reject it because the
data wasn't collected during the right phases of the moon.



When did I do that? What I reject are stories from sources which I consider heavily biased, such as the German magazine Spiegel. Because I found them to be wrong. Unless there is an underlying _clinical_ study be a reputable medical group which _I can access_ without paying fees.

So, any links?

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