Re: OT: interesting global warming quote found elsewhwere

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:10:10 GMT, Jonathan Kirwan
<jkirwan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:56:50 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:33:42 GMT, Jonathan Kirwan
<jkirwan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:54:46 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:13:31 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

QUOTE: I believe the recent warming is best comparable to or less than
the warming in the 1930s and is now over.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/21/monckton_aps/

http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/monckton.cfm

Note: "The following article has not undergone any scientific peer
review, since that is not normal procedure for American Physical
Society newsletters. The American Physical Society reaffirms the
following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body,
the APS Council, on November 18, 2007: 'Emissions of greenhouse gases
from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect
the Earth's climate.'"

Another great casualty of AGW is the scientific method, and the
integrity of science as an institution. It is unprecented for a
journal to invite debate, then publish responses prefaced with an
editorial dismissal.

Since when do "governing bodies" determine physical reality, in the
absence of experimental evidence?

So you discount the entire process and a great many scientists, as
well, and instead elevate a forum letter from who, exactly, as your
reason to dispel all that? See:

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Moncktons_letter_to_Snowe_Rockefeller_on_1218.html

Frankly, I've no idea what happened in your life to make you this way.
You are proposing a science conspiracy unlike any ever before. And
you don't even choose to use credible sources for that. Sad to see.

Figs 3 and 7 are interesting. I suspect that, 50 years from now, AGW
theory will be cited as a classic example of pathological science
married to political opportunism, and a blunder that killed more
people than WWII.

What utter nonsense. But your prognostications aren't credible and
should be taken with the weight that their selectiveness deserves.

You don't like Figure 7? Because it's too selective? Sorry, it's the
only planet we have data for.

You know that's a strawman and has nothing to do with what I meant,
John. See above.

Jon

Fig 2 is especially ludicrous. The only way they can make the CO2
threat alarming enough is to add a bunch of positive feedbacks, and no
negative feedbacks. They probably have the cloud polarity backwards.

The historical record, temperature as a function of orbital dynamics
and vulcanism, doesn't suggest net positive feedbacks, and certainly
doesn't suggest the "tipping point" that's being cited as a
justification for immediate and drastic meddling in the economies of
the world. What's real is the price of food, and the billion people
who don't have enough. AGW is the new racism.

John



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