Re: Is Wind Power Worth It?

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Jim Yanik wrote:
James Arthur wrote:


T. Boone Pickens has a point--$700 billion flowing out of
the country every year to buy oil would be awfully nice to
keep here.
well,maybe we should be producing our OWN petro sources.
BTW,I've read that in some places it took only TWO years to
begin oil production.
This "10 years" factoid bandied about is IMO,an attempt to
discourage,maybe a worst-case estimate.

Related, funny: NozzleRage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSaZ5v1eW5I

Cheers,
James Arthur

read this about Pickens and his energy proposal;

Junk Science: Is T. Boone 'Swiftboating' America?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,390821,00.html
Yep, I know T. Boone has a bunch of wind investments and
is pushing things in his interest. Ditto for natural gas.

And most of our oil comes from Canada and Mexico, not
the Middle East.

It's still true, though, that if we used the stuff
more effectively it'd save us a bunch of money, which
couldn't be bad.


Cheers,
James Arthur

sure,but that has to be people's choice,not the government's.
Let the market determine supply,not the gov't.
Blocking US oil production is criminal.(and unpatriotic)
Are you questioning the patriotism of Democrats? <gasp!>

IMO,DemocRATs have more concern for World Government than any
patriotism for the US.
It appears they are dedicated to tearing down the US,destroying
the Constitution and the concept of "written law".


The actual problem with the Democrats is that they have no spine,
are unwilling to stand up for what the base of the party wishes.
The Democractic Senators and Representatives are drinking from the
same well of money interests that the Republicans do. Until we
limit the influence of lobbyists,

Translation;
limit free speech and the Constitutional right to petition the
government.

What do lobbyists have to do with either? The problem isn't with
what they say, the problem is in the marginal legality of their
financial influence.


"lobbyists" are people representing a group of other people,pooling
their resources.


WHich is fine until gifts of various sorts become bribes.

We have laws concerning bribes and gifts.

Lobbyists
have huge amounts of money at their disposal, and between that, and
the power held by large corporations, they have *far* greater access
to politicians than does someone with barely enough to cover his stay
at the local budget hotel. If some politician has a change to be
wined'n'dined at an elegant five-star restaurant in an exclusive area
of town, do you seriously think such an offer would be turned donw in
favor of having a chili dog with someone representing a bunch of
peons, or *worse*, going "Dutch"?

Money is power - andyoen whose ever functioned in the real world or
business and politics, or has at all studied politics and government,
knows that. And lobbyists have a lot of money at their disposal which
they can use to influence political decisions that affect everybody.
It'd be one thing is aeveryone who sought to petition the gov.t was
doing so from a level playing field, but they're not - more money =
more access
= more influence over political decisions.




so,to 'save' the People,you would cut off their access to the
representatives.

You are the one cheering the notion that wealth should be required for
access. I'm the one saying that politicians should be equally willing to
meet with "average Joe" constituents, and representatives thereof, over a
chili dog.So, jsut who is it who is militating to cut the People off from
access to their representatives?

No, wealth would be required if you had to personally live in
Washington to petition your representatives. Lobbyists allow a
group (say the Sierra Club) to collectively hire someone to
represent their views.

You would diminish the People's access while not affecting the elites
access.

?!?!

That is so astoundingly and pathetically *backasswards* from what I said,
that I can only conclude you're deliberately trolling.

It is *exactly* what you said. You may not realize it, but...

doesn't sound very democratic nor very smart.

You're the one with the reading-comprehension problem.

No, you haven't thought your asinine position through.

Good luck with that.

Indeed.

--
Keith
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