Re: OT: interesting global warming quote found elsewhwere

Joerg wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

Joerg wrote:

bill.sloman@xxxxxxxx wrote:
Joerg > wrote:
bill.slo...@xxxxxxxx wrote:

Obviously, any model can become unrealistic. That doesn't mean that
you can't get good information out of models, merely that you have to
be careful. The IPCC is being pretty careful.
Careful? As in the case of the hockeystick curve?
The hockey-stick data wasn't a model, but rather the ineptly-filtered
presentation of raw data. Mann certainly screwed up, because he didn't
understand exactly how his filtering procedure worked. Even there, the
peer-reviewing process finally worked and his curves were eventually
discredited.
Wasn't that the guy who supposedly didn't want to release raw data? So
far for an organization being "careful".

And the person who discovered the mistake is the AGW-despised Steve McIntyre
(who was a peer reviewer for them at the time). Refused the raw data, he
'reverse engineered' somehow the figures and found the flaw.
http://www.climateaudit.org/?page_id=354


This shows how much political hardball seems to be played in that "scientific" world. Pretty sad, actually:

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=224

The last paragraph is shocking:

"One of the first places that we would recommend such procedures is the temperature data set used by the IPCC. Other researchers have tried without success to get access to the supporting data. One of them shared with us the response he received from the principal author of the dataset: “We have 25 years invested in this work. Why should we let you look at it, when your only objective is to find fault with it?”"

The 2nd-to-last paragraph is stunning as well. Such sloth. The work
shows it.

James Arthur
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