Re: OT: interesting global warming quote found elsewhwere

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On Aug 12, 7:29 am, Joerg <notthisjoerg...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Let's also not forget that data revelations is what the "Materials and
Methods" section in a sceintific paper is supposed to provide - it has to
precisely describe what is done, under what conditions, and using what
materials.
http://aerg.canberra.edu.au/pub/aerg/edupaper.htm
Quote: "Show your materials and methods section to a colleague. Ask if
they would have difficulty in repeating your study." That would be the
right thing to do but one must also be willing to show all that to
reviewers. Luckily, in the US we have FOIA :-)

http://biology.luther.edu/paper.htm
Those websites clearly describe the accepted format for scientific
papers. This format is the accepted one precisely becasue it does reveal
how expereiments/studies are done, what data are collected, what
background information was used to evaluate the data, how conclusions
were reached, and what those conculsions are. If a paper deviates from
this format, it is *rejected*, pure and simple - it might be acceptable
to the local newspaper, but not taken seriously by anyone in the
scientific community.
In the AGW world that seems not always to be so.

In my world of medical technology it very common to make the
underlying data accessible. In fact, many agencies require that.
Things are handled in a much more professional manner than they seem
to in the AGW world.
If the sceintific papers describing global temperature studies are not in
the correct format, please provide a number of links to these papers so
that people can evaluate this situation for themselvs, trather than
having to take your description on faith. I tried to google this, but
came up with a lot of references to blogs, and to many descriptions of or
comments about what's supposedly in verious papers, but as of yet, no
success in finding actual journal-published papers archived online -
still looking, tho.
If no such links exist, then at least the preliminary conclusion has to
be that your claim of "no data is provided" could be inaccurate.
One of many examples:http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=638

I certainly do not believe a scientist like McIntyre would make any
accusations like this if their weren't true.

McIntyre's attitude can be described as "adversial". He is convinced
that everybody is busy trying to delude him, which rather over-rates
his significance in the scheme of things.

Quote "As I mentioned previously, I requested the identity of the sites
in the blend as part of the IPCC review process and was refused and even
threatened with expulsion as a reviewer if I made any further attempts
to obtain the data from Hegerl et al. At the time, I was told that such
considerations were the province of the journal and that it was not the
job of an IPCC reviewer to carry out any additional due diligence on data."

I think that shows what's going on.

Right. McIntyre is an obsessive nut, and his colleagues didn't want to
take the flak arisng from his irritating behaviour. The IPCC opinion
is - in fact - entirely defensible. Their job is to review the
published data, not to second-guess the journals peer-review
procedures (which aren't perfect, any more than any other human
institution).

The antics of a gadfly like McIntyre weren't going to be popular with
journal editors whose judgement he was calling into question, who are
all colleagues and acquaintances of the senior people in the IPCC.
McIntyre got lucky, and found an error in Mann's "hockey stick" paper.
He's been looking for a similar triumph ever since and has yet to find
one. Is the irritation he causes worth the problems that he has
revealed?

Also very disturbing:http://www.climateaudit.org/?cat=53

If you still don't believe it you can ask Steve McIntyre directly:http://www.climateaudit.org/?page_id=778

Don't encourage McIntyre - he needs to be persuaded to find something
constructive to do.


Ah, the usual. When arguments and evidence fails the person gets attacked.

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