Re: OT: interesting global warming quote found elsewhwere

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:49:37 -0500, Kris Krieger <me@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
news:48A39C66.1056C42D@xxxxxxxxxxx:



bill.sloman@xxxxxxxx wrote:

James Arthur wrote:
Joerg wrote:
bill.slo...@xxxxxxxx wrote:
Mann's responded as anybody else would to an impertinent request
- it is exactly the response you got to your equally
impertinent request for sea-level data from the authors that you
approached.

Impertinent? Yeah, that's the kind of arrogant attitude that can
wreck credibility. Not in my wildest dreams would I ever say that
to another scientist.

Arrogance and science rarely mix.

Dismissing a non-pertinent request

What wasn't pertinent about it ?

You're not researching climate on a professional level. Research
scientists tend to honor request from fellow professional - *time
permitting*. And scientists do not routinely make such requests of their
peers, because they know how little free time their peers usually have.

Much of the time, data is noted in the Laboratory Notebook, by hand. Not
everything is computerized. Providing raw notes is therefore not
necessarily a quick and easy thing to do.

Also, jsut as there was a recent discussion abotu professional
networking, scientists also have networks - they know who is doing
research in their respective fields; they *have* to, so as to avoid
replicating the work of otehrs.

So, if John DOe writes asking for "raw data", i.e. typically a
transcription of the Lab Notebook, they're simply not going to see any
good reason to honor such a request. It'd be like calling the CEO of a
company and sking for the "raw data" used in calculating the data for
their quarterly reports.


from an amateur isn't arrogance, it
is simple self-preservation.

What amateur ?


Are you a climatologist by specialty and profession, with published
papers? If not, you're an amateur. THat's not an insult, it's merely a
definition.
Hi Kris,
We are talking about world wide temperature measurements, not notes
from a small lab experiment. This data of necessity MUST be in a
computer format, to allow for processing of the data. What the world
wants to see is 'What is the original, unmodified data?' 'What
modifications to this data did you perform?' and 'What algorithms did
you use on this data, and what were the final results?'

While that first question is of great importance, the real killer is
the second one. Most researchers must make allowances for missing
data points, points assumed to be in error, and datasets that are not
directly co-temporal or otherwise correlated. How that deal with
these issues is often more than sufficient to skew the output to the
desired outcome.

--
Charlie Edmondson
Edmondson Engineering Inc
www.edmondsonengineering.com
.

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