Re: OT: Global cooling gains momentum among scientists

On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:43:21 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
<paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

JosephKK wrote:

On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:06:22 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
<paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Russian solar physicists Galina Mashnich and Vladimir Bashkirtsev are so
convinced that global temperatures will cool within the next decade they
have placed a $10,000 wager with a United Kingdom scientist to prove
their certainty. The criteria for the $10,000 bet will be to compare
global temperatures between 1998 and 2003 with those between 2012 and
2017. The loser will pay up in 2018, according to an April 16, 2007,
article in Live Science.

Australian engineer Peter Harris says that the Earth is nearing the end
of the typical interglacial cycle and is due for a sudden cooling
climate change. ?Based on this analysis we can say that there is a 94
percent probability of imminent global cooling and the beginning of the
coming ice age.

?Climate is becoming unstable,? Harris went on to say. ?Most of these
major natural processes that we are witnessing now are interdependent
and occur at the end of each interglacial period, ultimately causing
sudden long-term cooling.?

Oleg Sorokhtin, merited scientist of Russia and fellow of the Russian
Academy of Natural Sciences and staff researcher of the Oceanology
Institute, says to ?stock up on fur coats and felt boots! Earth is now
at the peak of one of its passing warm spells. It started in the 17th
century when there was no industrial influence on the climate to speak
of and no such thing as the hothouse effect.

?Carbon dioxide is not to blame for global climate change, Sorokhtin
said. ?Solar activity is many times more powerful than the energy
produced by the whole of humankind. Man?s influence on nature is a drop
in the ocean.?

Its this statement that leads me to believe that this guy doesn't
understand the theory of AGW well enough to debate it. Its not the
energy that mankind produces, its the change in atmospheric chemistry,
caused by man, which changes the rae of solar energy flow into/out of
our environment.

Canadian climatologist Timothy Ball said, ?If we are facing (a crisis)
at all, I think it is that we are preparing for warming when it is
looking like we are cooling. We are preparing for the wrong thing.?

On the impact of carbon dioxide on global temperature, United Kingdom
astrophysicist Piers Corbyn said, ?There is no evidence that carbon
dioxide has ever driven or will ever drive world temperatures and
climate change. Worrying about carbon dioxide is irrelevant.?

And then there are those who say it is relevant. And they have produced
models which demonstrate its effects. Are the models correct, incorrect,
or incomplete? I don't know. But I'm much more likely to listen to an
argument that doesn't throw out the basic physics but builds upon it to
explain alternative outcomes.

So there you have it folks - solid evidence from the other side of the
global warming fence and critical thinking I?m sure you won?t hear much
about outside this space.

It looks more like opinion to me. Solid evidence looks more like tables,
charts and such with data that doesn't fit the AGW model. And some
hypothesis about what the AGW folks have missed that would explain this
data.

To be honest, I?m not sure which global weather consequence is more
daunting - to be ice fishing in Florida or planting cotton in Maine. But
politicians and the popular press should speak out for the resumption of
genuine, open debate on climate change. Global warming is not
necessarily a foregone conclusion.

What will be really funny is if the greenhouse gasses and subsequent
increase in solar energy absorption end up being an increase in an input
into a chaotic system. We'll have an ice age on our hands, for which we
have responsibility. But we can rightly say, "Ha! The global WARMING
people were nuts!"

http://deltafarmpress.com/news/robinson-column-0825/

It's an agriculture site btw, not an Exxon one.

Paul, how about a full copy of the current AGW Climate model with all
variables, assumptions, settings, and initial conditions defined.

Why? I'm not interested in defending it. I just want to pick apart bad
science, statements of opinion and shut off all the people that think
defending their position involves calling the other side a bunch of
idiots.

Do your own thing. I prefer Martin Brown's response.

.

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