Re: OT: Why welfare doesn't work!


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Jon Slaughter wrote:
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Jon Slaughter wrote:

Does this argument make sense? (cause a friend of mine seems not to
think so)

The fact that kids who's parents that "live" on welfare also end up
"living" on welfare verses the kids who's parents do not live on
welfare prove that welfare does not work in getting people off welfare.

Hence welfare does not work unless the goal is to keep them on welfare.
So in fact the best way to make people successful is not to put them on
welfare.

This argument seems perfectly logical... anyone think it's not? Back up
by logical proof and facts.



It's common knowledge in this area that welfare is an inviting life
style that migrates onto their off springs. The parents teach their kids
nothing more than what they would like to be or think they are able to
do them self, which is usually fall of excuses as why they can't and
carries onto the offspring.

If the parents are lazy and want no more, the example is presented to
the child even though the parent may make attempts to have their off
springs not make the same mistake as they did/done.

The simple fact is, children learn how to survive from watching their
parents in a natural un conscience order. Parents should make an attempt
to set a good example while the child is growing. At least the child
could have a chance to make it on their own. As what the parent does
afterward I guess does not matter however, we don't see that around
here.

Most of these parents are aware of the facts but are not willing to
openly admit to it. So they go on blaming society for their down fall
mean while, criticize every one else that in their eyes are successful
in life and making their life's a living hell when it comes
to paying taxes and what ever else the government local or fed can get
out of them to yet, pay for some more that just don't want to fend for
them self's.

Our town here is a perfect example of this, I may be getting ready
to make the move and sell the property and move to a different area
where free programs for the unwilling are not so available. This town
has placed a large burden on those that pay property taxes and is
getting to the point were the percentage of actual property tax payers
are not able to support the local free programs which is excessive here.

Welfare was for those that really couldn't work and normally you would
have to go through hell to get it. Not like around here.

Lets see, no food stamps because it embarrasses them in the store.
They get debit cards pay by us and balances are increased by a simple
sobbing phone call.
Cell phones are issued because lord knows if they needed to call 911
how could they do it? And the striker is, they need to call some one
else other than 911 because their kids may be in trouble so the kids
also get CEll phones paid by the Tax payers.

Recently, they demanded cars!. SO the town offered to supply used
car's up to a value. They take that as a slap in the face. That one is
still standing.

Oh yeah, free medical 100%, anything they want. and now free college
does not matter if they do well or not in it. Local businesses were
asked if they would consider those first when applying for jobs.. That
isn't doing so well either.. Our company is currently fighting an issue
where we hired some one over one of these applicants.
Now they are trying to get back pay for a job they never got hired for
in the first place. Because they say our company is discriminating..

This is just crazy crap.


I know... these are all the reasons why it doesn't work too... and they
all coellesc into the high correlation that I'm talking about. But by the
mere fact there is a high correlation(Which you give the causal reasons
why it is high) it shows that it doesn't work.


The argument I'm trying to make, independently of why, is that if your
parents are successful then you will be too(probabalistically speaking).
Hence, if you don't want the kids to be successful keep there parents
unsuccessful. (the contrapositive argument)


Unfortunately that isn't true in many cases. Kids in our middle class
neighborhood are totally spoiled by their parents, they don't have to work
for anything. They are getting used to the fact that things are given to
them. The effect is the same as with welfare, they learn that money,
goodies, cell phones, computers, cars (!) and all that keep coming towards
them with next to nothing in effort.

That was VERY different when I was young.

The result? Cocooning. Latest by the time they leave college they move
back in with their parents, seemingly unable to strike out on their own in
the real world. It is sad.


Thats true. Wasn't thinking about present times. Although it's always been
like that it seems more like everything is going down hill.

But welfare hits at the heart of the matter. It's about not learning to work
to achieve. These spoiled rich kids are on welfare too... it's just not
government subsidized.

So in the general sense of the word welfare is bad. Note that even
"sucessful" people can still be completely spoiled and ignorant.

I sorta mean sucessful in the sense of self worth and not necessarily
monetary.


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