Re: OT: Why welfare doesn't work!

On Sep 7, 3:48 am, Jamie
<jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1l...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Jon Slaughter wrote:
Does this argument make sense? (cause a friend of mine seems not to think
so)

The fact that kids who's parents that "live" on welfare also end up "living"
on welfare verses the kids who's parents do not live on welfare prove that
welfare does not work in getting people off welfare.

Hence welfare does not work unless the goal is to keep them on welfare.  So
in fact the best way to make people successful is not to put them on
welfare.

This argument seems perfectly logical... anyone think it's not? Back up by
logical proof and facts.

  It's common knowledge in this area that welfare is an inviting life
style that migrates onto their off-spring.

This is frequently claimed by right wing politicians, who don't like
welfare - it limits the effectiveness of the "lockout" as a weapon to
persuade workers to go back to work at starvation wages.

I've yet to see any persuasive evidence that this actually happens.

The parents teach their kids
nothing more than what they would like to be or think they are able to
do themselves, which is usually full of excuses as why they can't and
carries onto the offspring.

For "excuses", read "reasons".

   If the parents are lazy and want no more, the example is presented to
the child even though the parent may make attempts to have their off
springs not make the same mistake as they did/done.

    The simple fact is, children learn how to survive from watching their
parents in a natural unconscious way. Parents should make an attempt
to set a good example while the child is growing. At least the child
could have a chance to make it on their own. As what the parent does
afterward I guess does not matter however, we don't see that around here.

If you can't find work, it is rather difficult to organise your life
in a way that will teach the child how a conscientious worker would
behave. Spending most of the day out of the house costs money, which
isn't something readily available to household exisitng on US welfare
payments.

     Most of these parents are aware of the facts but are not willing to
openly admit to it. So they go on blaming society for their down fall
mean while, criticize every one else that in their eyes are successful
in life and making their life's a living hell when it comes
to paying taxes and what ever else the government local or fed can get
out of them to yet, pay for some more that just don't want to fend for
themselves.

And your evidence for this claim is?

    Our town here is a perfect example of this, I may be getting ready
to make the move and sell the property and move to a different area
where free programs for the unwilling are not so available. This town
has placed a large burden on those that pay property taxes and is
getting to the point were the percentage of actual property tax payers
are not able to support the local free programs which is excessive here.

   Welfare was for those that really couldn't work and normally you would
have to go through hell to get it. Not like around here.

    Lets see, no food stamps because it embarrasses them in the store..
    They get debit cards pay by us and balances are increased by a
simple sobbing phone call.
    Cell phones are issued because lord knows if they needed to call 911
  how could they do it? And the striker is, they need to call some one
else other than 911 because their kids may be in trouble so the kids
also get CEll phones paid by the Tax payers.

    Recently, they demanded cars!. SO the town offered to supply used
car's up to a value. They take that as a slap in the face. That one is
still standing.

   Oh yeah, free medical 100%, anything they want. and now free college
does not matter if they do well or not in it. Local businesses were
asked if they would consider those first when applying for jobs.. That
isn't doing so well either.. Our company is currently fighting an issue
where we hired some one over one of these applicants.
   Now they are trying to get back pay for a job they never got hired
for in the first place. Because they say our company is discriminating..

   This is just crazy crap.

Your company obviously doesn't discriminate against those whose skills
at reading, writing and logic are questionable.

One wonders what they were looking for? One might suspect that right-
wing anti-trade union attitudes were more interesting.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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