Re: OT: Why welfare doesn't work!


On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:58:14 -0500, Kris Krieger <me@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

bill.sloman@xxxxxxxx wrote in
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On Sep 7, 3:48!m, Jamie
<jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1l...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
[snip]

It's common knowledge in this area that welfare is an inviting life
style that migrates onto their off-spring.

This is frequently claimed by right wing politicians, who don't like
welfare - it limits the effectiveness of the "lockout" as a weapon to
persuade workers to go back to work at starvation wages.

I've yet to see any persuasive evidence that this actually happens.

My friend teaches in an elementary school in a disadvantaged area, and a
significant proportion of the kids are from single-parent families with
multiple generations on welfare; *however*, it's not that they'er "merely
inferior" or any BS like that, it's just that kids do tend to learn from
example, and it can and does happen that the parent doesn't really know
how to get out of welfare - it used to be true that you were not permitted
to attend classes for credit if you were on welfare. Although I don't know
whether that's still true, but if so, that doesn't exactly help folks
leave welfare.

There are a couple of organizations in the Houston area that teach single
mothers the basics of finding, landing, and keeping a job - it's not just
a matter of job skills, it's also a matter of social skills, even things
as seemingly basic as how to "dress for success". This sort of
instruction has helped a lot of people.


The parents teach their kids
nothing more than what they would like to be or think they are able to
do themselves, which is usually full of excuses as why they can't and
carries onto the offspring.

For "excuses", read "reasons".

True. Do *some* people use excuses? Of course. Does *everyone* merely
use excuses? Not at all.

It makes no sense to paint *all* people in one or another given group with
one broad brush. That's jsut judgemental and, really, prejudicial.


f the parents are lazy and want no more, the example is presented
to
the child even though the parent may make attempts to have their off
springs not make the same mistake as they did/done.

The simple fact is, children learn how to survive from watching t
heir
parents in a natural unconscious way. Parents should make an attempt
to set a good example while the child is growing. At least the child
could have a chance to make it on their own. As what the parent does
afterward I guess does not matter however, we don't see that around
here.

If you can't find work, it is rather difficult to organise your life
in a way that will teach the child how a conscientious worker would
behave.

That's a good point.

Spending most of the day out of the house costs money, which
isn't something readily available to household exisitng on US welfare
payments.

Also true. Child care should be available to those who really need it.
Not everyone can be a genius, and there are a lot of jobs that need to be
done (to keep a society running) that just don't pay as much per hour as
childcare costs.



ost of these parents are aware of the facts but are not willi
ng to
openly admit to it. So they go on blaming society for their down fall
mean while, criticize every one else that in their eyes are successful
in life and making their life's a living hell when it comes
to paying taxes and what ever else the government local or fed can get
out of them to yet, pay for some more that just don't want to fend for
themselves.

And your evidence for this claim is?

Again, yes, some people *do* just sit around blaming everyone else for
their problems - and some of those people are on welfare. As above,
however, it's at best unconstructive to paint all poeple in a given group
with one broad brush. For people who really do want to get off welfare,
but might not know how (again, not everyone is a genius, or even
particularly smart), it's better for society to teach them how to be self-
sufficient.


[snip]

ow they are trying to get back pay for a job they never got hired
for in the first place. Because they say our company is
discriminating..

his is just crazy crap.

Your company obviously doesn't discriminate against those whose skills
at reading, writing and logic are questionable.

The problem is that there are some people who profit off of the sort of
lawsuit described by Jamie - Jamie's error is not citing the existence of
the lawsuit, his error is in his placement of the responsibility for such
lawsuits, which is, directly in the hands of certain politicians and
certain sleazebag lawyers who profit from maintaining an underclass, and
inciting that underclass to remain in conflict with taxpayers.


One wonders what they were looking for? One might suspect that right-
wing anti-trade union attitudes were more interesting.

But isn't "right wing union" an oxymoron...?

Yep. Unions are a leftist thing. Our Democrat Congressman Moron
Mitchell is amongst a group of leftist SOB's that want to do away with
the SECRET BALLOT in union elections!

In my estimation, a bunch of fascist ***-heads :-(

...Jim Thompson
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