Re: New Plug-in Electric Car Company

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bruere@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in
news:6ila87Fr7dkrU4@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:

Eeyore wrote:

Kris Krieger wrote:

the US has a lot of natural gas,which can be used
to generate electricity

Which will offer ZERO CO2 emissions benefit.

Rather tahn me just specualting, I did a search:

https://shop.sae.org/technical/papers/970743
QUOTED MATERIAL: "The main conclusions from this work are that: fuel type
and equivalence ratio have major influences on both total hydrocarbon and
methane emissions; spark timing affects total hydrocarbon and methane
emissions significantly; increasing engine speed decreases total
hydrocarbon emissions for both fuels; during cold start and warm-up
operations, gasoline emitted a much higher excess of total hydrocarbons at
first start compared with natural gas; and exhaust gas recirculation gave
lower oxides of nitrogen emissions for natural gas than for gasoline
fuelling."

http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/vehicles/natural_gas_emissions.html
QUOTED MATERIAL: "The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency calculated the
potential benefits of CNG versus gasoline based on the inherently cleaner-
burning characteristics of natural gas, summarized in Clean Alternative
Fuels: Compressed Natural Gas (PDF 76 KB). Download Adobe Reader.

Reduce carbon monoxide emissions 90%-97%
Reduce carbon dioxide emissions 25%
Reduce nitrogen oxide emissions 35%-60%
Potentially reduce non-methane hydrocarbon emissions 50%-75%
Emit fewer toxic and carcinogenic pollutants
Emit little or no particulate matter
Eliminate evaporative emissions "


http://74.125.95.104/search?
q=cache:QP5PFW8hoGoJ:www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles/big_rig_cleanup/natural-
gas-vehicles.html+emissions+comparison+natural-
gas+gasoline&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us

Here is the Google search line I used:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=emissions+comparison+natural-
gas+gasoline




is solar panel production is doen on a larger
scale, those will become cheaper.

Bwahahahahhaahahaaaaa ! Do you think they only just invented them ? And
it IS done on a large scale !

Not yet, it isn't. What will lower prices most significantly is increasing
conversion of gov.t buildings. Alhtough conversions being done by
corporations such as WalMart will also be an important factor.

Interestingly, I've not seen discussion of the effect of the rooftop shade
offered by solar panels.

Also, given that teh power utilities do buy back power, that would
contribute to the long-term savings offered by solar.

And before denegrating *every* non-petroleum energy source, how about
offering a solution to a finite resource (other than that you believe
you'll croak off before it runs out)?

It's real easy to sit on one's ass, say "that's stupid", and merely
contribute to the problem - what's hard is getting off one's ass and taking
some sort of action that's actually constructive.

PV solar is INSANELY expensive by design.

By design, ro by circumstance or necessity...?

Only Nanosolar are claiming
to offer anything better but they won't release data. Smells of
something nasty to me.

It's called "proprietary info", and it's common for companies in all
sectors to not release their trade secrets. What will need to be seen is
what results are shown from tests.


Nanosolar have just had a $300m injection of capital to boost their
production capacity.


Yes, despite the naysayers and those who are addicted to the status quo, at
least some people *are* doing research and testing ideas.

.

Relevant Pages

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    ... Which will offer ZERO CO2 emissions benefit. ... spark timing affects total hydrocarbon and methane ... first start compared with natural gas; ...
    (sci.electronics.design)
  • Re: New Plug-in Electric Car Company
    ... Which will offer ZERO CO2 emissions benefit. ... hydrocarbon and methane emissions significantly; ... speed decreases total hydrocarbon emissions for both fuels; ... natural gas than for gasoline fuelling." ...
    (sci.electronics.design)
  • Re: New Plug-in Electric Car Company
    ... Which will offer ZERO CO2 emissions benefit. ... QUOTED MATERIAL: "The main conclusions from this work are that: fuel type and equivalence ratio have major influences on both total hydrocarbon and methane emissions; spark timing affects total hydrocarbon and methane emissions significantly; increasing engine speed decreases total hydrocarbon emissions for both fuels; during cold start and warm-up operations, gasoline emitted a much higher excess of total hydrocarbons at first start compared with natural gas; and exhaust gas recirculation gave lower oxides of nitrogen emissions for natural gas than for gasoline fuelling." ... summarized in Clean Alternative Fuels: Compressed Natural Gas. ...
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