Re: Collective Salvation


On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:51:12 -0700, Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Paul Hovnanian P.E. wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:10:43 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
<paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:50:20 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
<paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

[snip]
It's disingenuous for the right wing to pick on Obama, or any other
Democrat, for referring to 'the collective'. The GOP (particularly under
Bush) has made significant inroads into the rights of individuals. And
he has done so by executive order, much as the Soviet Union did when it
existed. Fortunately, Democrats, and the few remaining true Republicans
have challenged him on some of his activities. There's really nothing
wrong with the citizens of a country, as a collective, deciding to do
something, as long as it is subjected to suitable restrictions. Those
that fear 'the collective' are most likely up to something that 'the
collective' wouldn't approve of, or the law wouldn't allow.

Back in the days of McCarthy, we feared Communism (capital 'C') because
it was an organization directed by a foreign power intent on exerting
its influence over us. And it attempted to do so by recruiting key
opinion makers and government officials to do its bidding out of the
public's view, rather than appealing openly to the masses. But today,
the current administration takes its marching orders from other foreign
powers, like sovereign wealth funds, the Mossad and Irgun. Where is the
reincarnation of Joe McCarthy when we really need him?
Paul, I'm a wee bit slow ;-)

Could you please cite what rights (as a citizen) it is that I've lost?
Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
and
effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated,
and no Warrants shall issue; but upon probable cause, supported by oath
or
affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and
the
persons or things to be seized.
That's only quoting the 4th Amendment. Please cite those events where
you claim my rights have been circumvented. Don't give me any of the
generalized leftist BS, cite some real facts. I know it's hard for
you weenies to manage that, but PLEASE TRY ;-)

I suppose that unless I get copies if the FBI's 'National Security
Letters' via an FOIA request, you'll just claim that the news
surrounding this issue was manufactured as a left wing conspiracy.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9506E6D61F39F931A25752C1A9659C8B63

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/17/AR2007031701451_pf.html

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A06E0DD1530F936A35753C1A9609C8B63

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13739_3-10030134-46.html


C'mon, what's the point? It would be pretty daft for anyone to assume
that electronically transmitted data is 100% safe, wouldn't it? And that
has nothing to do with where one lives, as has been evidenced by
breaches in Europe that were leaked.

As far as I am concerned life in the US is pretty darn good. Yeah, we
may complain about the housing bubble, this, that and the other thing.
But we have food on the table and we do not have to look over our
shoulders before chatting with neighbors. That's different in many, many
other countries. So let's keep things in perspective.

"Liberals" want to destroy the USA as we know it today. I don't know
what is their agenda or motive. But I feel we've reached a "them or
us" situation, so arm yourself. Once Obama is elected you'll have to
defend your own property... it'll be worse than the carpetbaggers
after the Civil War :-(

...Jim Thompson
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