Re: OT. More Government

On Oct 9, 1:32 pm, mpm <mpmill...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Oct 9, 4:16 pm, mrdarr...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:



On Oct 8, 7:46 pm, "amdx" <a...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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mrdarr...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

"amdx" <a...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Shame on you American Taxpayers, you have your heads up your asses!
It has always been my contention that if you are on welfare you should
not
have cable television or a cell phone.

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What country are you in? Isn't your government assisting your banks
as well?

Yes, amdx is fretting over a few dollars given to the poor whilst the rich
get a
$700 bn hand-out.

Something odd going on there methinks.

I'm not sure the 700B was a good idea (I was hoping for another solution)
but c'mon guys, cellphones as a Right. Get real!
I don't believe it's so much to help the banks, it's to add liquidity to
the system, to keep business
expanding, help startups and create employment. Somehow in all that they
want to stabilize housing
prices too. One question about the mortgage situation, the government is
going to buy the distressed
paper to keep prices up.
But to be a good steward of the taxpayers 700B they should be to buy low.
Just one more thing to be pissed about.
Oh, did I mention the border? Where's the fence!

It's a virtual fence. Think "quantum tunneling".

Hey let's save social security, I'm paying 15.3% now, let's increase it.
Hey, how about cutting the benefits, naw, lets wait 15 yrs, that's when I
hope to retire.
Oil, where has the leadership been for the last thirty years, we should
have solved our energy problem
the first time OPEC bent us over a barrel.

$700B could buy at least (at least!) 10 GW of solar panel power
plants... with a built-in lead-acid battery factory to replace/recycle
the batteries in the field, for night time power delivery...

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Actually, you would do it with solar-thermal plants. Not solar cell
panels.
You would heat up salt compounds and use these to drive a turbine.
You could store heated salts in large tanks during the day and use
that stored heat to drive the turbine(s) at sundown. California has
a 117MW plant under construction now that will generate at least 7
hours of nighttime capacity. I assume they could have built a larger
plant if needed?

-mpm


You're right, solar thermal should be the way to go...

A co-worker used to work for the California Energy Commission, and he
told me horror stories about how environmental reviews had to be done
prior to construction, to make sure the Endangered Desert Snake wasn't
adversely affected... maybe Arizona has a better chance... less
bureaucracy.

I believe there was also a heat transfer fluid fire at one of the SEGS
plants awhile back... they basically use a hot high-boiling
hydrocarbon (therminol? I forget) to transfer the heat to the
turbine.

eh, my memory's not so bad after all... Google therminol segs fire:
http://www.energyadvocate.com/fw42.htm

Molten salt would be nice, but... it doesn't pump very well when
cold... I don't remember whether it expands/contracts during phase
change either.

Michael
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