Re: OT: Hot, Flat and Crowded

On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:04:24 +0000 (UTC), don@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

In article <4962BE7E.1794B9E4@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Eeyore wrote:

Raveninghorde wrote:

don@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Don Klipstein) wrote:

Back to my question how accurate is the temperature record?

http://www.cao-rhms.ru/krut/OAO2007_12E_03.pdf

A quick google shows no critcal comment on the article.

In summary the author gives an error band of 0.7K which is greater
than the claimed temeprature increase and also shows that the change
in the last 50 years is within the expected fluctuation range.

I suspect reluctance (that I myself indulge upon) to order web browsers
to go into Russia and nearby Eastern Europe with "modern-Mafia"
hacking/spyware and lacking-and-or-corrupted law enforcement.

Meanwhile, I do say that global-HadCRUT-3v as well as "lower
troposphere determinations from satellite data" by both RSS (RSS/MSU ?)
and UAH are good enough for The Register in their "A Tale of Two
Thermometers" article.

I've read the register article at last. Seams fair to me.

To summarise: NASA are fudging their data and it is out of line with
hadcrut. Hadcrut and the satellite data basically agree.

The satellite data originally did not show global warming. Reasons
were found, circa 1998, to increase the satellite readings in line
with the ground based measurements. Presumably this explains the
close correlation between the two records.

So we have hadcrut which uses measurements of dubious accuracy. These
stations have generic "correction" factors applied to the readings.
These corrected readings agree with the satellite readings which also
have correction factors applied.

So we are ment to have confidence in a global temperature rise which
is less than the value of the correction factors?

Nicely put. Funny how temp increases are corrections and temp decreases are
anomalies eh ?

Such as the downward correction by Hansen in 2001 that the wingnuts
latched onto? It appears to me that it is the one that changed USA's
"contiguous 48's hottest decade" from the 1990's to the 1930's.

Also, I like to describe 1998's warmth beyond "trend curve" as an
anomaly - greatest El Nino on record.
The cooling of late 2007 through most of the first half of 2008 is
almost to similar extent an anomaly - greatest La Nina in 20 years.
Don't you love how AGW-denialists like to latch onto a 10-11 year period
begining with such a major El Nono and ending with such a major La Nina?

What's so bad about reporting the 1979-2008 stretch as a whole? One
source cited favorably by The Register in their "A Tale of Two
Thermometers" article is currently saying (as of 1/5/09) rising trend of
.157 degree K or C per decade.

That is RSS/MSU determination of lower troposphere temperature trend
from satellite data.

http://www.remss.com/msu/msu_data_description.html#msu_amsu_trend_map_tlt

1st of the 4 line graphs, after the 4 color-coded global maps.

- Don Klipstein (don@xxxxxxxxx)

The real "wingnuts" are those posing as "engineers" and claiming we
can measure the "average temperature" of the earth to an accuracy of
"0.157°C", let alone find trends in such crap data.

What chutzpa!

I suspect Klipstein is an unemployed (but unmarried) equivalent of
Slowman ;-)

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