Re: OT: Hot, Flat and Crowded

On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:51:02 +0100, "Bill Sloman"
<bill.sloman@xxxxxxxx> wrote:



As far as Crut-3V measurements are concerned the max and min readings
from each station are averaged to give "the average temperature". If
the temp is 30C for 16 hours and 10C for 8 hours then "the average
temperature" is 20C rather than 23.3C.

"If". Touch of hand-waving there. Meteorologists have been using that
particular crude approximation for a long time now, so if you want to
be able to compare current data with historical data, you are stuck
with it.
Moreover, if it did create problems, we should have noticed them by
now.

My touch of handwaving was an example of the absurdity. But I'm glad
that you accept it's a "particular crude approximation". It's the
same as measuring the max and min of a sine wave and saying the
average is 0V.

Which happens to give the right answer.

So take a DC multimeter, measure your mains voltage and if 0V stick
your fingers in the socket. Did you get a shock? Why? The meter gave
the right answer.


Duh. It is causing problems or haven't you noticed there's a debate
about AGW going on????

There's no debate about anthropogenic global warming. There are a bunch of
paid propagandists who are working hard at digging out old controversies and
trying to persuade the ignorant public that there still life in the old
debates, but
there's no informed debate between people who know what they are talking
about as to whether anthropogenic global warming is real.

By your definition if you disagree then you don't know what you're
talking about.

So by your definition Dr Roy Spencer doesn't know what he's talking
about.

/quote

Before becoming a Principal Research Scientist at the University of
Alabama in Huntsville in 2001, he was a Senior Scientist for Climate
Studies at NASA?s Marshall Space Flight Center, where he and Dr. John
Christy received NASA?s Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal for
their global temperature monitoring work with satellites. Dr.
Spencer?s work with NASA continues as the U.S. Science Team leader for
the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA?s Aqua
satellite.

/end quote

Well we can ignore the satellite data then. This guy hasn't a clue.


The only debate is about how fast it is going to get worse.

<snip>

Right. The meteorologists have been doing their work for about 150
years now, and all of sudden we have this independent expert who can
tell them how they should have been doing their job. I'm sure that
they will be very grateful. and will mend their ways immediately.

It's called reviewing the evidence and finding it wanting. If I took
that approach to electronics I'd still being measuring in Jars just so
I can compare measurments with 100+ years ago.

Actually, it's called making a fuss about stuff you don't actually
understand.


Are you saying I don't understand how the temperature record is
measured? If so please tell me where I'm wrong O wise one.

Or are saying I don't understand because the crap data gives the
answer you want?
.

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