Re: Group etiquette...


JeffM wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
[...]I'm not for any "aggression" that is not self-defense based.
Nothing like the Japanese/German/Chinese/Vietnamese/Korean
"taking" for financial/expansionist reasons.

JeffM wrote:
...yet you support the party of the *preemptive war* guy,[1]
if not the guy himself.

Jim Thompson wrote:
You're right. We should stay out of other people's faces.
Let Iran have nukes... who cares

Let's examine the facts:

Country - Iran
Status - suspected clandestine nuclear enrichment program
Relation to USA - outwardly hostile; the populace digs us
Response by USA - watching

Country - North Korea
Status - producing nuclear weapons; buying short-range rockets
Relation to USA - hostile
Response by USA - watching

Country - Pakistan
Status - nuclear power
Relation to USA - ostensibly an ally;
really in it for the money--playing both ends against the middle;
won't actually persue and capture a criminal
presumed to be within their borders and wanted by the USA
Response by USA - conciliatory, coddling

Country - Iraq
Status - nuke program was all a bluff;
other weapons expended on its own populace
Relation to USA - a lot of impotent sabre rattling before 2003;
in 2009, most of them want us out of their country
Response by USA - invasion

Lesson to be learned:
Get nukes as fast as you can so the USA won't invade you.

I (and all my family) are far enough
removed from both (expendable) coasts.

Describe a country that can *deliver* a WMD to the USA
that didn't have that capability at the end of the Cold War.

Just admit it.
You're an old fart who is big on sending other people's
children, parents, and spouses on military expeditions. 8-|
(My Daddy was a career military officer
and many of my childhood friend's dads were in the Armed Forces.)

So what?

Having rattled sabres and picked fights,
the old farts of that day sent him and the others
(not their own family members) into harm's way.
Meet the new boss; same as the old boss.

[family's military-industrial complex pedigree]
(and I had an offer from the FBI :-)
when the MIT scholarship came through...
I was getting out of WV one way or another ;-)

So, a civilian job where you wouldn't see military combat.
Goes very much to my point.
http://www.google.com/search?q=define:chickenhawk


Tell me, Jeff. I went to register for the draft, and to see about
the air force to see if I could get into avionics. I failed the
physical, with five separate 4F ratings and was told I could not enlist
in any branch. Then the draft board found out I was working in
electronics and drafted me. I tested out of a three year engineering
course, and was assigned to work in microwave and CATV systems, weather
monitoring system Educational TV at my first assignment. I also repaired
some Korean War vintage RADAR, and installed the sound system in the
General's conference room. My last assignment was with AFRTS as a
broadcast engineer. My only contact with weapons was in basic, and when
I had to re-qualify with the M16 a few days before I left the service.

I had an uncle in the Navy who worked on the weapons systems on a
nuclear powered sub, and an aunt and uncle who were in the Army during
W.W. II. My dad was eligible right after Korea, when they were still
releasing a lot of the people being brought home. By the time they were
looking for volunteers, he had married and started a family.

I was also offered a civil service job at Ft. Rucker, and turned it
down.

How does all of this fit into your neat little pigeonholing system?


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