Re: Jedi Masters of Electronics

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:30:02 -0800, JosephKK <quiettechblue@xxxxxxxxx>
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:58:12 -0800, John Larkin
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:45:13 -0800, JosephKK <quiettechblue@xxxxxxxxx>
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On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:31:16 -0800, John Larkin
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 19:13:41 -0800, JosephKK <quiettechblue@xxxxxxxxx>
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On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 12:04:03 -0800, D from BC
<myrealaddress@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 11:42:19 -0700, Jim Thompson
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On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 10:10:56 -0800, D from BC
<myrealaddress@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Sat, 07 Feb 2009 10:31:44 +0000, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
<dirk.bruere@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

D from BC wrote:
I'm mostly self taught in electronics, but sometimes I think I'd learn
quicker if I had a mentor.
How often does that happen?
Did you learn from a Jedi master of electronics.?


D from BC
myrealaddress(at)comic(dot)com
BC, Canada

I did it by reading books and playing with a soldering iron and scope.
There really is no faster way. Sitting in a one hour lecture you learn
about as much as 10 minutes reading a book. The only time you need a
Jedi Master is when you don't understand what's written. And now you
consult them via google or SED.

True... I read faster than someone can speak.
So my data uptake rate really should be better on my own.

However..I'm not a fast typer and Q&A in person with a Jedi might go
faster.


D from BC
myrealaddress(at)comic(dot)com
BC, Canada

I have had clients pay me just to sit and watch me while their design
is done. Though I explain, they generally learn next to nothing,
except become argumentative, thinking they do know something ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Neato.. I'd see that. Please post a Youtube video of a design in
process.. :)

About mentors...
The trades have apprenticeships.
For example, newbie electricians work with and learn from the senior
electricians.
Newbie doctors do an internship and work with and learn from senior
doctors.

I just don't know if similar happens in electronics.. I don't think it
does..
I suspect electronics is mainly a 'solo education'.

All real education is solo. If you do not do the work you cannot gain
the understanding.

So we don't need schools? Or universities?

One can learn an enormous lot about circuit design by working with and
listening to others. Many of those others are older and experienced
and willing to share what they've learned. One lifetime isn't nearly
enough to learn it all by yourself.

And often people working on a problem together learn together. That's
not "solo."

John

You have missed and dissed my point. Similar to leading a horse to
water; you can lead students to knowledge, but you cannot *MAKE* 'em
think.


Maybe you can't. I can.

In that case i have some "students" to send you. Names and addresses
on request.

Internalizing the information and methods is purely up to the
student to do, it cannot be done by any other for the student.
Intrinsically done by the student and no other:: thus solo. QED

CRAP

After you have "taught" my example students to think, i will consider
your position.


Schools, including universities, are places of convenience to share
and try to propagate knowledge. Also usually repositories of stored
knowledge. There is not yet any technology to imprint students with
what someone might wish them to believe, and doing so has serious
ethical drawbacks.


Making them good at electronic design is not an ethical drawback.

John

I have a pretty cageful handy for you, all fairly local. All BSEE or
better. You turn them into engineers and i will be your fan and
student as well.


I'm not an educator; I'm in business. I need every employee to
generate more revenue than he or she costs. So I pick only people with
talent and potential and the right personalities, and I teach them to
be as good as they can be. And I learn from them, which helps *me* be
more valuable than I cost.

If you have someone that might meet those needs, have them send me a
resume. If you have a load of duds on your hands, keep them. I could
teach them some things, but at the level we're working, it's unlikely
I could ever make them valuable.

But in this industry today, the complexities of both the technology
and the business (and the engineering is half business) are so extreme
that nobody is going to get far by teaching themselves. We learn
together.

John

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