Re: Any Christian Electronic Designers Here?


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John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:29:27 -0600, don <don> wrote:

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Science books would be written by those how use science in the best way
they know how, and you can teach your delusions to your children at home.

If it's science with no atheist religion attached, then why have there been
fakes made to support evolution? You know with all the vast sound
scientific fossils, why were there fakes?

Yes, you can have your own schools to teach 'kitty cat drowning" if you
want to.

But this country was founded on separation of church and state.
Today it's "My church" or leave the country.

Please, believe what ever you want, teach your children what ever you
want.

Just, Leave my country alone.

don

As to the founding of the country, that has been redefined by history
revisionists and lies have been taught in our schools by liberals.

http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Lies-About-American-History/dp/1595230513

"Separation of Church and State" isn't in our Constitution, it was written
by Thomas Jefferson in a letter. Thomas Jefferson, one of the least
religious of our founding fathers, gave government money to missionaries and
attended church in a government building. Liberals redefine "separation of
church and state" to mean something it never meant.

Here's some information you'll never learn in a liberal school:


John Adams and John Han***:
We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]

John Adams:
" The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were
the general principals of Christianity. I will avow that I believed and now
believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and
immutable as the existence and attributes of God."
.. "[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn
acts of devotion to God Almighty."
-John Adams in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was
approved by Congress

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human
passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or
gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale
goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious
people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October
11, 1798

"I have examined all religions, as well as my narrow sphere, my straightened
means, and my busy life, would allow; and the result is that the Bible is
the best Book in the world. It contains more philosophy than all the
libraries I have seen." December 25, 1813 letter to Thomas Jefferson

"Without Religion this World would be Something not fit to be mentioned in
polite Company, I mean Hell." [John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, April 19,
1817]


Samuel Adams: | Portrait of Sam Adams
" He who made all men hath made the truths necessary to human happiness
obvious to all. Our forefathers opened the Bible to all." [ "American
Independence," August 1, 1776. Speech delivered at the State House in
Philadelphia]

" Let divines and philosophers, statesmen and patriots, unite their
endeavors to renovate the age by impressing the minds of men with the
importance of educating their little boys and girls, inculcating in the
minds of youth the fear and love of the Deity. and leading them in the study
and practice of the exalted virtues of the Christian system." [October 4,
1790]

John Quincy Adams:
.. "Why is it that, next to the birthday of the Savior of the world, your
most joyous and most venerated festival returns on this day [the Fourth of
July]?" "Is it not that, in the chain of human events, the birthday of the
nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior? That it forms
a leading event in the progress of the Gospel dispensation? Is it not that
the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the
foundation of the Redeemer's mission upon earth? That it laid the
cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity"?
--1837, at the age of 69, when he delivered a Fourth of July speech at
Newburyport, Massachusetts.

"The Law given from Sinai [The Ten Commandments] was a civil and municipal
as well as a moral and religious code."
John Quincy Adams. Letters to his son. p. 61

Elias Boudinot: | Portrait of Elias Boudinot
" Be religiously careful in our choice of all public officers . . . and
judge of the tree by its fruits."

Charles Carroll - signer of the Declaration of Independence | Portrait of
Charles Carroll
" Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they
therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so
sublime and pure...are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best
security for the duration of free governments." [Source: To James McHenry on
November 4, 1800.]

Benjamin Franklin: | Portrait of Ben Franklin
" God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the
ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without
His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord
build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I
also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this
political building no better than the builders of Babel" -Constitutional
Convention of 1787 | original manuscript of this speech

"In the beginning of the contest with Britain, when we were sensible of
danger, we had daily prayers in this room for Divine protection. Our
prayers, Sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered. do we imagine
we no longer need His assistance?" [Constitutional Convention, Thursday June
28, 1787]

In Benjamin Franklin's 1749 plan of education for public schools in
Pennsylvania, he insisted that schools teach "the excellency of the
Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern."

In 1787 when Franklin helped found Benjamin Franklin University, it was
dedicated as "a nursery of religion and learning, built on Christ, the
Cornerstone."

Alexander Hamilton:
.. Hamilton began work with the Rev. James Bayard to form the Christian
Constitutional Society to help spread over the world the two things which
Hamilton said made America great:
(1) Christianity
(2) a Constitution formed under Christianity.
"The Christian Constitutional Society, its object is first: The support of
the Christian religion. Second: The support of the United States."

On July 12, 1804 at his death, Hamilton said, "I have a tender reliance on
the mercy of the Almighty, through the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ. I am
a sinner. I look to Him for mercy; pray for me."

"For my own part, I sincerely esteem it [the Constitution] a system which
without the finger of God, never could have been suggested and agreed upon
by such a diversity of interests." [1787 after the Constitutional
Convention]

"I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I
was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my
verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition
ever submitted to the mind of man."

John Han***:
.. "In circumstances as dark as these, it becomes us, as Men and Christians,
to reflect that whilst every prudent measure should be taken to ward off the
impending judgments, .at the same time all confidence must be withheld from
the means we use; and reposed only on that God rules in the armies of
Heaven, and without His whole blessing, the best human counsels are but
foolishness. Resolved; .Thursday the 11th of May.to humble themselves before
God under the heavy judgments felt and feared, to confess the sins that have
deserved them, to implore the Forgiveness of all our transgressions, and a
spirit of repentance and reformation .and a Blessing on the . Union of the
American Colonies in Defense of their Rights [for which hitherto we desire
to thank Almighty God].That the people of Great Britain and their rulers may
have their eyes opened to discern the things that shall make for the peace
of the nation.for the redress of America's many grievances, the restoration
of all her invaded liberties, and their security to the latest generations.
"A Day of Fasting, Humiliation and Prayer, with a total abstinence from
labor and recreation. Proclamation on April 15, 1775"

Patrick Henry:
"Orator of the Revolution."
.. This is all the inheritance I can give my dear family. The religion of
Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed."
-The Last Will and Testament of Patrick Henry

"It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was
founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the
gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have
been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." [May 1765
Speech to the House of Burgesses]

"The Bible is worth all other books which have ever been printed."

John Jay:
" Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is
the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to
select and prefer Christians for their rulers." Source: October 12, 1816.
The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, Henry P. Johnston, ed.,
(New York: Burt Franklin, 1970), Vol. IV, p. 393.

"Whether our religion permits Christians to vote for infidel rulers is a
question which merits more consideration than it seems yet to have generally
received either from the clergy or the laity. It appears to me that what the
prophet said to Jehoshaphat about his attachment to Ahab ["Shouldest thou
help the ungodly and love them that hate the Lord?" 2 Chronicles 19:2]
affords a salutary lesson." [The Correspondence and Public Papers of John
Jay, 1794-1826, Henry P. Johnston, editor (New York: G.P. Putnam's Sons,
1893), Vol. IV, p.365]

Thomas Jefferson:
" The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man."

"Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my
observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus."

"I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of
Jesus."

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be
thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in
the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they
are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country
when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever."
(excerpts are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the
nations capital) [Source: Merrill . D. Peterson, ed., Jefferson Writings,
(New York: Literary Classics of the United States, Inc., 1984), Vol. IV, p.
289. From Jefferson's Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, 1781.]

Samuel Johnston:
.. "It is apprehended that Jews, Mahometans (Muslims), pagans, etc., may be
elected to high offices under the government of the United States. Those who
are Mahometans, or any others who are not professors of the Christian
religion, can never be elected to the office of President or other high
office, [unless] first the people of America lay aside the Christian
religion altogether, it may happen. Should this unfortunately take place,
the people will choose such men as think as they do themselves.
[Elliot's Debates, Vol. IV, pp 198-199, Governor Samuel Johnston, July 30,
1788 at the North Carolina Ratifying Convention]

James Madison
" We've staked our future on our ability to follow the Ten Commandments with
all of our heart."

"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the
power of government, far from it. We've staked the future of all our
political institutions upon our capacity.to sustain ourselves according to
the Ten Commandments of God." [1778 to the General Assembly of the State of
Virginia]

.. I have sometimes thought there could not be a stronger testimony in favor
of religion or against temporal enjoyments, even the most rational and
manly, than for men who occupy the most honorable and gainful departments
and [who] are rising in reputation and wealth, publicly to declare the
unsatisfactoriness [of temportal enjoyments] by becoming fervent advocates
in the cause of Christ; and I wish you may give in your evidence in this
way.
Letter by Madison to William Bradford (September 25, 1773)
.. In 1812, President Madison signed a federal bill which economically aided
the Bible Society of Philadelphia in its goal of the mass distribution of
the Bible.
" An Act for the relief of the Bible Society of Philadelphia" Approved
February 2, 1813 by Congress

"It is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and
charity toward each other."

.. A watchful eye must be kept on ourselves lest, while we are building ideal
monuments of renown and bliss here, we neglect to have our names enrolled in
the Annals of Heaven. [Letter by Madison to William Bradford [urging him to
make sure of his own salvation] November 9, 1772]

At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, James Madison proposed the plan to
divide the central government into three branches. He discovered this model
of government from the Perfect Governor, as he read Isaiah 33:22;
"For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver,
the LORD is our king;
He will save us."
[Baron Charles Montesquieu, wrote in 1748; "Nor is there liberty if the
power of judging is not separated from legislative power and from executive
power. If it [the power of judging] were joined to legislative power, the
power over life and liberty of the citizens would be arbitrary, for the
judge would be the legislature if it were joined to the executive power, the
judge could have the force of an oppressor. All would be lost if the same .
body of principal men . exercised these three powers." Madison claimed
Isaiah 33:22 as the source of division of power in government
See also: pp.241-242 in Teaching and Learning America's Christian History:
The Principle approach by Rosalie Slater]

James McHenry - Signer of the Constitution
Public utility pleads most forcibly for the general distribution of the Holy
Scriptures. The doctrine they preach, the obligations they impose, the
punishment they threaten, the rewards they promise, the stamp and image of
divinity they bear, which produces a conviction of their truths, can alone
secure to society, order and peace, and to our courts of justice and
constitutions of government, purity, stability and usefulness. In vain,
without the Bible, we increase penal laws and draw entrenchments around our
institutions. Bibles are strong entrenchments. Where they abound, men cannot
pursue wicked courses, and at the same time enjoy quiet conscience.

Jedediah Morse:
"To the kindly influence of Christianity we owe that degree of civil
freedom, and political and social happiness which mankind now enjoys. . . .
Whenever the pillars of Christianity shall be overthrown, our present
republican forms of government, and all blessings which flow from them, must
fall with them."

John Peter Gabriel Muhlenberg
In a sermon delivered to his Virginia congregation on Jan. 21, 1776, he
preached from Ecclesiastes 3.
Arriving at verse 8, which declares that there is a time of war and a time
of peace, Muhlenberg noted that this surely was not the time of peace; this
was the time of war. Concluding with a prayer, and while standing in full
view of the congregation, he removed his clerical robes to reveal that
beneath them he was wearing the uniform of an officer in the Continental
army! He marched to the back of the church; ordered the drum to beat for
recruits and over three hundred men joined him, becoming the Eighth Virginia
Brigade. John Peter Muhlenberg finished the Revolution as a Major-General,
having been at Valley Forge and having participated in the battles of
Brandywine, Germantown, Monmouth, Stonypoint, and Yorktown.

Thomas Paine:
" It has been the error of the schools to teach astronomy, and all the other
sciences, and subjects of natural philosophy, as accomplishments only;
whereas they should be taught theologically, or with reference to the Being
who is the author of them: for all the principles of science are of divine
origin. Man cannot make, or invent, or contrive principles: he can only
discover them; and he ought to look through the discovery to the Author."
" The evil that has resulted from the error of the schools, in teaching
natural philosophy as an accomplishment only, has been that of generating in
the pupils a species of atheism. Instead of looking through the works of
creation to the Creator himself, they stop short, and employ the knowledge
they acquire to create doubts of his existence. They labour with studied
ingenuity to ascribe every thing they behold to innate properties of matter,
and jump over all the rest by saying, that matter is eternal." "The
Existence of God--1810"

Benjamin Rush:
.. "I lament that we waste so much time and money in punishing crimes and
take so little pains to prevent them.we neglect the only means of
establishing and perpetuating our republican forms of government; that is,
the universal education of our youth in the principles of Christianity by
means of the Bible; for this Divine Book, above all others, constitutes the
soul of republicanism." "By withholding the knowledge of [the Scriptures]
from children, we deprive ourselves of the best means of awakening moral
sensibility in their minds." [Letter written (1790's) in Defense of the
Bible in all schools in America]
.. "Christianity is the only true and perfect religion."
.. "If moral precepts alone could have reformed mankind, the mission of the
Son of God into our world would have been unnecessary."

"Let the children who are sent to those schools be taught to read and write
and above all, let both sexes be carefully instructed in the principles and
obligations of the Christian religion. This is the most essential part of
education"
Letters of Benjamin Rush, "To the citizens of Philadelphia: A Plan for Free
Schools", March 28, 1787

Justice Joseph Story:
" I verily believe Christianity necessary to the support of civil society.
One of the beautiful boasts of our municipal jurisprudence is that
Christianity is a part of the Common Law. . . There never has been a period
in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying its
foundations."
[Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States p. 593]
" Infidels and pagans were banished from the halls of justice as unworthy of
credit." [Life and letters of Joseph Story, Vol. II 1851, pp. 8-9.]
" At the time of the adoption of the constitution, and of the amendment to
it, now under consideration [i.e., the First Amendment], the general, if not
the universal sentiment in America was, that Christianity ought to receive
encouragement from the state, so far as was not incompatible with the
private rights of conscience, and the freedom of religious worship."
[Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States p. 593]

Noah Webster:
" The duties of men are summarily comprised in the Ten Commandments,
consisting of two tables; one comprehending the duties which we owe
immediately to God-the other, the duties we owe to our fellow men."

"In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the
first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be
instructed...No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian
religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights
and privileges of a free people."
[Source: 1828, in the preface to his American Dictionary of the English
Language]

Let it be impressed on your mind that God commands you to choose for rulers
just men who will rule in the fear of God [Exodus 18:21]. . . . If the
citizens neglect their duty and place unprincipled men in office, the
government will soon be corrupted . . . If our government fails to secure
public prosperity and happiness, it must be because the citizens neglect the
Divine commands, and elect bad men to make and administer the laws. [Noah
Webster, The History of the United States (New Haven: Durrie and Peck,
1832), pp. 336-337, 49]

"All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition,
injustice, oppression, slavery and war, proceed from their despising or
neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible." [Noah Webster. History. p.
339]

"The Bible was America's basic textbook
in all fields." [Noah Webster. Our Christian Heritage p.5]

"Education is useless without the Bible" [Noah Webster. Our Christian
Heritage p.5 ]

George Washington:

Farewell Address: The name of American, which belongs to you, in your
national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of Patriotism, more than
any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of
difference, you have the same religion" ...and later: "...reason and
experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in
exclusion of religious principle..."


" It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible."

"What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of
Jesus Christ." [speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs May 12, 1779]

"To the distinguished character of patriot, it should be our highest glory
to add the more distinguished character of Christian" [May 2, 1778, at
Valley Forge]

During his inauguration, Washington took the oath as prescribed by the
Constitution but added several religious components to that official
ceremony. Before taking his oath of office, he summoned a Bible on which to
take the oath, added the words "So help me God!" to the end of the oath,
then leaned over and kissed the Bible.

Nelly Custis-Lewis (Washington's adopted daughter):
Is it necessary that any one should [ask], "Did General Washington avow
himself to be a believer in Christianity?" As well may we question his
patriotism, his heroic devotion to his country. His mottos were, "Deeds, not
Words"; and, "For God and my Country."

" O Most Glorious God, in Jesus Christ, my merciful and loving Father; I
acknowledge and confess my guilt in the weak and imperfect performance of
the duties of this day. I have called on Thee for pardon and forgiveness of
my sins, but so coldly and carelessly that my prayers are become my sin, and
they stand in need of pardon."
" I have sinned against heaven and before Thee in thought, word, and deed. I
have contemned Thy majesty and holy laws. I have likewise sinned by omitting
what I ought to have done and committing what I ought not. I have rebelled
against the light, despising Thy mercies and judgment, and broken my vows
and promise. I have neglected the better things. My iniquities are
multiplied and my sins are very great. I confess them, O Lord, with shame
and sorrow, detestation and loathing and desire to be vile in my own eyes as
I have rendered myself vile in Thine. I humbly beseech Thee to be merciful
to me in the free pardon of my sins for the sake of Thy dear Son and only
Savior Jesus Christ who came to call not the righteous, but sinners to
repentance. Thou gavest Thy Son to die for me."
[George Washington; from a 24 page authentic handwritten manuscript book
dated April 21-23, 1752
William J. Johnson George Washington, the Christian (New York: The Abingdon
Press, New York & Cincinnati, 1919), pp. 24-35.]

"Although guided by our excellent Constitution in the discharge of official
duties, and actuated, through the whole course of my public life, solely by
a wish to promote the best interests of our country; yet, without the
beneficial interposition of the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, we could not
have reached the distinguished situation which we have attained with such
unprecedented rapidity. To HIM, therefore, should we bow with gratitude and
reverence, and endeavor to merit a continuance of HIS special favors". [1797
letter to John Adams]

James Wilson:
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution
Supreme Court Justice appointed by George Washington
Spoke 168 times during the Constitutional Convention

"Christianity is part of the common law"
[Sources: James Wilson, Course of Lectures [vol 3, p.122]; and quoted in
Updegraph v. The Commonwealth, 11 Serg, & R. 393, 403 (1824).]

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Public Institutions
Liberty Bell Inscription:
" Proclaim liberty throughout the land and to all the inhabitants thereof"
[Leviticus 25:10]

Proposals for the seal of the United States of America
.. "Moses lifting his wand and dividing the Red Sea" -Ben Franklin

.. "The children of Israel in the wilderness, led by a cloud by day and a
pillar of fire by night." --Thomas Jefferson

On July 4, 1776, Congress appointed Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and
John Adams "to bring in a device for a seal for the United States of
America." Franklin's proposal adapted the biblical story of the parting of
the Red Sea. Jefferson first recommended the "Children of Israel in the
Wilderness, led by a Cloud by Day, and a Pillar of Fire by night. . . ." He
then embraced Franklin's proposal and rewrote it

Jefferson's revision of Franklin's proposal was presented by the committee
to Congress on August 20, 1776.

Another popular proposal to the Great Seal of the United States was:
" Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God"; with Pharoah's army drowning in
the Red Sea

The three branches of the U.S. Government: Judicial, Legislative, Executive
.. At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, James Madison proposed the plan
to divide the central government into three branches. He discovered this
model of government from the Perfect Governor, as he read Isaiah 33:22;
"For the LORD is our judge,
the LORD is our lawgiver,
the LORD is our king;
He will save us."

Article 22 of the constitution of Delaware (1776)
Required all officers, besides taking an oath of allegiance, to make and
subscribe to the following declaration:
.. "I, [name], do profess faith in God the Father, and in Jesus Christ His
only Son, and in the Holy Ghost, one God, blessed for evermore; and I do
acknowledge the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given by
divine inspiration."

New York Spectator. August 23, 1831
" The court of common pleas of Chester county, [New York] rejected a witness
who declared his disbelief in the existence of God. The presiding judge
remarked that he had not before been aware that there was a man living who
did not believe in the existence of God; that this belief constituted the
sanction of all testimony in a court of justice: and that he knew of no
cause in a Christian country where a witness had been permitted to testify
without such belief.

New England Primer:
Used in public and private schools from 1690 to 1900 second only to the
Bible
Some of its contents:
A song of praise to God
Prayers in Jesus' name
The famous Bible alphabet
Shorter Catechism of faith in Christ


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