Re: The end is in sight

Bob Larter wrote:
James Arthur wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

bill.sloman@xxxxxxxx wrote:

James Arthur <bogusabd...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Show me a country not fitting that description, one where socialism
pays for itself--as opposed to being subsidized by, say, a North Sea
oil bonanza--and you'll have my attention.

China's the only one that pops to mind...
You need a new mind, or at least a second hadn midn taht actually
works. Sweden, Germany, France, the Netherlands ...

What's truly hilarious that one of the lowest national debts is held by Russia ! The
USA's is over TEN times more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt

Graham



I specified self-supporting. Russia's surplus comes from nationalizing
their oilfields.

Oh, please.

Kindly document your point then--what's Russia's GDP, major export,
etc.; what accounts for their surplus? Socialism?

I've been backing everything up, but I can't possibly debunk stuff
as quickly as you can make it up.


Whose people had the better standard-of-living, back when we were less
socialist, and communism reigned supreme?

How's that revolution-thing working out for Cuba? It's been what,
50 years? Are they a paragon of health, wealth, science, and
productivity?

I'm interested in examples where public ownership of the means
of production supports its own weight, outperforming alternatives.

According to right wingers, a country can be socialist without "public ownership of the means of production".

Socialism isn't well-defined, is it?

The US, presently, is acquiring public ownership of banks, factories,
medical services, mortgages, and is growing rapidly.

And you haven't mentioned Sweden, Germany, France, or the Netherlands.

Those were offered as "proof", without backup or explanation. Kindly
show that they're sustainable, and a net gain to the country.


Bonus points given for examples where the rulers deign to use the
same healthcare / retirement systems they create for their subjects.

You think that any POTUS uses an HMO, or collects Social Security in their old age?

Obviously not. That's the point, isn't it?
If it's better, why isn't it voluntary?

Cheers,
James Arthur
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